Middle East Conflict

[Ducado]

I am really at a loss as to the war aims of Israel, in order to defeat Hamas they are going to have to go in very heavy and be prepared for a long urban conflict, but Hamas is like Hydra it will just pop up again and again as long as the conditions are ripe for it, so they either have to empty Gaza of it's population, which the Americans have told them not to even think about, or occupy it, which is going to be no fun for them and it will further isolate Israel, there is also the risk of further escalation in the north and the West Bank, this might be the reason a ground offensive has not happened, because they don't have a clue what to do after it's finished and also if it kicks off in the north they don't have the resources or man power to fight a war on two fronts

 

[metalblue]

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If you want your country folk to willingly fight another you have to dehumanise the other side. Easier if they don’t look like you or pray to the same god. The same sort of rumours will be circulating in Palestinian circles about Israeli atrocities.

When they look like you or pray to the same god it gets a bit harder to find reasons to convince people your victory is the only righteous one. One of the more bizarre anti-luftwaffe propaganda messages used by the British government to differentiate Germans from the British was how they didn’t play cricket so weren’t team players like us. Genuinely.

 

[dublinblue12]

A bit more context it wasn't done by Israel. It was done by a Lebanese Falangist militia, the IDF merely stood by. Sharon was found to be 'personally responsible' by an Israeli commission.

So even the fact checking on these platforms are not accurate it seems where do you go from there

 

[inchy14]

If a mad gunman kills some people and then barricades himself in to a house with 3 hostages, do the police get the bloke by blowing up the house, and sod the hostages?

Only in the states.

 

[MouldensChippy]

Excellent point, and explains why numerous countries are unhealthy places to live if you don't comply with the ruling orthodoxy - I wouldn't fancy living in a lot of sub-Saharan Africa if I were gay right now, given the increasing influence of evangelical christian doctrine in recent years.

Is that so. I wouldn't fancy being gay in any Islamic country being that the sharia punishment for it is death. Go look at Iran publicly hanging gay people from cranes for instance.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Excellent point, and explains why numerous countries are unhealthy places to live if you don't comply with the ruling orthodoxy - I wouldn't fancy living in a lot of sub-Saharan Africa if I were gay right now, given the increasing influence of evangelical christian doctrine in recent years.

The Evangelical Christian opinion of homosexuality is a mere bagatelle compared with the opinion of homosexuality in the Islam world.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Many not privy to the braves, Avi Shlaim included, may not perceive them as representing Israel.

If so, consider the first-hand forefronts of all forefronts, former-IDFs who have after themselves involved in operations, realized to not support the heavy-handed actions. More than 1400 former soldiers have been speaking on the actions of war.







Of course, when following these actions, armchair critics will go “well yes, but…”

Miko Peled (Israeli generals son) is well worth listening to:

https://m.youtube.com/@MikoPeledOfficial

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Miko Peled (Israeli generals son) is well worth listening to:

https://m.youtube.com/@MikoPeledOfficial

Do you spend all day on YouTube searching "antisemite"?

PS I'm joking here just in case you weren't clear. As I've said before there are many people even on the Israeli side, who are critical of Israel's actions. It's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But it works both ways and until enough people on both sides stand up and question the actions of "their" side, this will continue.

 

[inchy14]

I think it would take a catastrophic global event like a pandemic that was actually effective in wiping out 90% of the population and I guess humanity might have a chance as there could be less pressure on land and resources afterwards, but that scenario just as likely to end in dystopia, probably more likely.

We nearly had that but mankind’s intelligence and ingenuity came up with vaccines.
I think that has gone now, need an alien invasion probably to unite us all now probably.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Because you are confusing ethnic cleansing with genocide?

Typically people have been using both of these terms when describing Palestine.