Middle East Conflict

[Ducado]

How many Muslim countries live as secular states? Not a single one of them. All Muslim countries abide by Islamic law and for many of those countries there is no freedom of religion. Just for example atheists in Saudi Arabia are classed as terrorists and anyone who is not Sunni is essentially a second class citizen.

With this in mind why would anyone who is not Muslim want to absorb into a Muslim state? And finally on the flip side why would the Palestinians accept a single secular state on 'their' lands which is not Islamic?

A single state solution is impossible and almost insults to the fact that without Israel Jewish people do not have a self-determined homeland. If a single secular state is the only option then for Jews there is no difference between living in New Zealand vs whatever this new state is.

Turkey, most North African countries are all nominally secular states there are few more as well

 

[metalblue]

Ah different rules for the two sides in a war. Get it now. Hamas can do and say what they want, Israel can't.

By jove I think you have actually got it. To an extent Israeli’s should be proud they are, but yes, it’s a bit shit for Israel. If Israel wants to fight a conventional war where it’s actions are not held to a much higher standard it should got after Iran.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Will they lose?
I think everyone would lose if that happened.
Isreal's presumed total of around 400 or so nuclear warheads says nuclear armagedon is the probable outcome if that happens.
That is why we in the west are so loathe to sort out Russian agression in Ukraine with their 6000 nuclear delivery weapons.
In fact, under your predicted "peaceful successor state" solution it would actually be devoid of Jews as they'd all be dead.
Just admit your solution is impossible and is indeed pure fantasy.

They would never be allowed to launch them if it came to that. Russia hasn't used their nuclear weapons and if Israel started threatening it and they were at risk of being used or compromised it's more likely the superpower of the age would intervene and not to sure up Israel.

Interestingly the defunct apartheid regime in South Africa admitted that they developed nuclear weapons with the express purpose that they would use them to blackmail the west into intervening against an intervention by the Soviet Union. They then unilaterally disarmed after realising the dangers of that plan.

The solution that zionist Israel proposes is to murder Palestinians or drive them out of the land. For that is the way. If you want to avoid a retribution, the answer isn't more tit for tat it's resolution.

If Israel carries on it simply won't be safe for Jews to live in Israel. All of it's neighbours will hate it, and deservedly so. They are more likely to all be dead if they follow your path. And there probably wouldn't be much sympathy for refugees.

 

[BlueAnorak]

How many Muslim countries live as secular states? Not a single one of them. All Muslim countries abide by Islamic law and for many of those countries there is no freedom of religion. Just for example atheists in Saudi Arabia are classed as terrorists and anyone who is not Sunni is essentially a second class citizen.

With this in mind why would anyone who is not Muslim want to absorb into a Muslim state? And finally on the flip side why would the Palestinians accept a single secular state on 'their' lands which is not Islamic?

A single state solution is impossible and almost insults to the fact that without Israel Jewish people do not have a self-determined homeland. If a single secular state is the only option then for Jews there is no difference between living in New Zealand vs whatever this new state is.

As I say, a fantasy solution.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I see the Hamas leader walked out of an interview with the BBC in Qatar when asked about murdering Israeli citizenns.
Anyone who thinks Hamas are possible to deal with gas lost touch with reality.
Hamas are dedicated to Jihad and the genocide of Isreali Jews.

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[inbetween]

Turkey, most North African countries are all nominally secular states there are few more as well

So are you arguing that the Palestinian cause within a single state would be to establish a non-Islamic country? Even with a two-state solution, would the new state of Palestine be a secular state?

 

[robbieh]

How many Muslim countries live as secular states? Not a single one of them. All Muslim countries abide by Islamic law and for many of those countries there is no freedom of religion. Just for example atheists in Saudi Arabia are classed as terrorists and anyone who is not Sunni is essentially a second class citizen.

With this in mind why would anyone who is not Muslim want to absorb into a Muslim state? And finally on the flip side why would the Palestinians accept a single secular state on 'their' lands which is not Islamic?

A single state solution is impossible and almost insults to the fact that without Israel Jewish people do not have a self-determined homeland. If a single secular state is the only option then for Jews there is no difference between living in New Zealand vs whatever this new state is.

Afraid you are wrong. Plenty of majority Muslim countries that are secular.
I'll kick off with the 2 biggest. Indonesia and Turkey.

 

[robbieh]

So are you arguing that the Palestinian cause within a single state would be to establish a non-Islamic country? Even with a two-state solution, would the new state of Palestine be a secular state?

No he's just pointing out your error.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They would never be allowed to launch them if it came to that. Russia hasn't used their nuclear weapons and if Israel started threatening it and they were at risk of being used or compromised it's more likely the superpower of the age would intervene and not to sure up Israel.

Interestingly the defunct apartheid regime in South Africa admitted that they developed nuclear weapons with the express purpose that they would use them to blackmail the west into intervening against an intervention by the Soviet Union. They then unilaterally disarmed after realising the dangers of that plan.

The solution that zionist Israel proposes is to murder Palestinians or drive them out of the land. For that is the way. If you want to avoid a retribution, the answer isn't more tit for tat it's resolution.

If Israel carries on it simply won't be safe for Jews to live in Israel. All of it's neighbours will hate it, and deservedly so. They are more likely to all be dead if they follow your path. And there probably wouldn't be much sympathy for refugees.

Never be allowed?
Isreal would only launch them if their was an existential threat to the Israeli state.
What you're saying is if Israel delivered it's nukes they would cease to exist.
That's pretty much a given under the circumstances of Israel using them.
A single secular state is pure fantasy, and you probably know it too.