Middle East Conflict

[Palerider]

It’s not in the name of the Jewish people at all and if you believe that then you believe anything. If it’s effecting Jews around the world then there’s clearly a lot of anti semitism.

Israel has a long history of targeting journalists.

Shireen Abu Akleh: Al Jazeera reporter killed by Israeli forces

Israeli forces shot Abu Akleh in the head while she was on assignment in Jenin in the occupied West Bank.

www.google.com

FFS. It's propaganda.

 

[domalino]

Israel has a long history of targeting journalists.

Shireen Abu Akleh: Al Jazeera reporter killed by Israeli forces

Israeli forces shot Abu Akleh in the head while she was on assignment in Jenin in the occupied West Bank.

www.google.com

Deadly Pattern: 20 journalists died by Israeli military fire in 22 years. No one has been held accountable. - Committee to Protect Journalists

The May 11, 2022, killing of Al-Jazeera Arabic correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh is part of a deadly, decades-long pattern. Over 22 years, CPJ has documented at least 20 journalist killings by members of the Israel Defense Forces. Despite numerous IDF probes, no one has ever been charged or held...

cpj.org

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

FFS. It's propaganda.

I'm not surprised you believe that.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Deadly Pattern: 20 journalists died by Israeli military fire in 22 years. No one has been held accountable. - Committee to Protect Journalists

The May 11, 2022, killing of Al-Jazeera Arabic correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh is part of a deadly, decades-long pattern. Over 22 years, CPJ has documented at least 20 journalist killings by members of the Israel Defense Forces. Despite numerous IDF probes, no one has ever been charged or held...

cpj.org

It's illogical to think they wouldn't. The Zionists are obsessed about controlling the narrative of current and historical events.

Why would they want open and honest reporting of their apartheid system in the West Bank and their murders of civilians.

 

[M16 citeh]

Demo in support of Palestine at st peters Square at 12 today

 

[The blue phantom]

Demo in support of Palestine at st peters Square at 12 today

150'000 expected in London too.

 

[TinFoilHat]

150'000 expected in London too.

Wouldn't surprise me if it kicks off in London.

Cruella would love the met to kick off claiming terrorists were embedded in the protest.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I was taught to "cite your sources". I suppose I could just have said "Arab opposition to Zionism was understandable" but that might not have gone down well with those who think anti-Zionism was down to antisemitism (or think "Zionist" is an insult). So it seemed better to justify an argument by citing a Zionist who could see a problem that many others at the time (or since) could not.

I could have '"cut and paste" Ahad Ha'am's hopes of finding common cause with the Arabs (descendents of Shem like the Jews) or just linked to his full article (behind an academic paywall). He did go on to support setting up a Jewish homeland in Palestine (not necessarily a Jewish state) but perhaps I won't bother risking any actual quotes.

Essentially, I'm trying to see both sides. And "they started it" is just too simplistic.

Not the first time you've quoted an individual opinion from many years ago and claimed it as some sort of overarching truth. It's an opinion, nothing more. I doubt you've ever been to Israel, or even know many, if any, Jews.

I could stand outside one of the local synagogues at the end of today's Sabbath morning service and ask everyone coming out their opinions on the subject, and I'd get a variety of those. I might agree with some of them and I might vehemently disagree with others. None of those opinions are "right" and (apart from anyone who thinks that Israel should literally commit genocide and wipe out everyone in Gaza), none will be "wrong".

And I could have stood outside a local mosque yesterday after lunchtime prayers and done the same thing. I suspect the opinions will have been a different shade but there might well have been a wide range from "Good for Hamas, the Jews had it coming" to "Hamas don't help the Muslim cause by their brutality".

They're individual opinions.

 

[trueblue1972]

You don't think people speaking, and expecting others to believe, their version of the "truth" is part of the problem here?

Trying' to understand , and 'real experience' are the salient point of my reply

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Fascinating yet sadly predictable multi-fronted battleground.
All the ideologies rallying around their presets.