Middle East Conflict

[Prestwich_Blue]

But everyone knows the tactic to label people racist at the drop of a hat is designed to shut down debate. It’s not really news. It obstructs from real issues like this.

So you know that's factual do you Tim. You've substantiated it have you?

I'm surprised at you, and particularly after people have been asked not to post this stuff.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

So you know that's factual do you Tim. You've substantiated it have you?

I'm surprised at you, and particularly after people have been asked not to post this stuff.

I think that's the post a few Bluemooners thought I shouldn't have posted. I accept they were right.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I'm not taking lessons on good taste from an Irishman, when the Celtic fans, who clearly associate themselves with the Catholic community in Ireland, booed the two minutes silence this last weekend and after many Scots have bravely fought and given their lives for their country. Did you condemn that as being in poor taste? Let me check.

Yes of course it was sarcastic, and someone, well quite a few, have actually done that in the name of their religion. Now of course they only represent a small minority of that religion fortunately. But they've done it regularly and mostly against their own kind.
Whereas Israel has never undertaken industrial-scale extermination against the Palestinians (although it's obviously not treated them particularly well or fairly). Nazi Germany reduced the global Jewish population by 50% between 1933 and 1945, whereas the Palestinian population has QUINTUPLED since 1948.

But essentially you're just deflecting. And to answer the post from @halfcenturyup, you can be as uneasy as you want but the IHRA definition is an internationally agreed definition based on a consensus of a number of individual experts and bodies on the subject.

Like we joke about it being a shame that UEFA and CAS didn't call some of the united and Liverpool "financial geniuses" who "know" City are "financial cheats", it's a shame the IHRA they didn't consult some of the "antisemitism experts" on Bluemoon.

Well I’m sorry that my opinion may upset you, but you can’t seem to see that what you have written is inflammatory, not to mention stereotypical.

I'm not taking lessons on good taste from an Irishman, when the Celtic fans, who clearly associate themselves with the Catholic community in Ireland, booed the two minutes silence this last weekend and after many Scots have bravely fought and given their lives for their country.

I’m unaware of any debate revolving around Celtic fans. I have no interest in Celtic. No love for them whatsoever and have no time for the sectarianism that they practice the same as Rangers.
If they did what you say, I would have no problem whatsoever condemning them.
I’m Irish. Yes. That doesn’t automatically make me a Celtic fan.
I was brought up Catholic. Yes. I have no time for any outdated church and don’t agree with church and state being in bed with each other.

I don’t know what your concept of what Irishness is, but I can assure you that I am not that out of the ordinary in my opinions over here.

If you want to accuse me of deflection, I would argue that’s exactly what you have done with the generalisations you have posted.
Many Irishmen fought in British regiments in both world wars, particularly the 1st, thinking that the democratic vote we had for an Irish parliament would be rewarded.

I wouldn’t dream of questioning your knowledge on Jewish history and the last 80 years since the war and the setting up of the state. I came on here asking questions to educate myself and have read up myself since.

I am genuinely surprised and disappointed by your first paragraph, but I’m guessing that doesn’t really concern you.

The reason for my post saying I thought it was in poor taste, is because although I know this is an emotional subject for you, I genuinely thought you are better than that remark.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If they did what you say, I would have no problem whatsoever condemning them.
I’m Irish. Yes. That doesn’t automatically make me a Celtic fan.
I was brought up Catholic. Yes. I have no time for any outdated church and don’t agree with church and state being in bed with each other.

Yet you get annoyed with me, a Jew who won't unreservedly condemn Israeli actions, and tries to give a more nuanced view rather than simply spout propaganda.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Israeli forces have taken the Gaza parliament building. It looks like there wasn’t a battle and Hamas withdrew to fight elsewhere.

The IDF have also taken a hospital that they claim was a Hamas command centre. They planted a few weapons.

fixed that for you

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yet you get annoyed with me, a Jew who won't unreservedly condemn Israeli actions, and tries to give a more nuanced view rather than simply spout propaganda.

No. I found your comment about strapping bombs to the body, poor taste.

 

[trueblue1972]

U.S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under Hospital

A U.S. intelligence official confirmed that Israel's claim about a Hamas command and operations center located under the Al-Shifa Medical Center in Gaza City is accurate.

Additionally, it was noted that Hamas fighters frequently siphon off fuel intended for the hospital.

These fighters often assemble and operate around the hospital, using the facility and its patients as human shields.

Source: CNN

 

[Postman Pep]

U.S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under Hospital

A U.S. intelligence official confirmed that Israel's claim about a Hamas command and operations center located under the Al-Shifa Medical Center in Gaza City is accurate.

Additionally, it was noted that Hamas fighters frequently siphon off fuel intended for the hospital.

These fighters often assemble and operate around the hospital, using the facility and its patients as human shields.

Source: CNN

The Israelis tell US intelligence who tell CNN ...... Lol

 

[trueblue1972]

The Israelis tell US intelligence who tell CNN ...... Lol

Prity sure that Israel told them along time ago

 

[Vic]

No it isn't legally binding in itself. But the police and CPS can use it to demonstrate antisemitism.

The non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism: “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

That doesn't include the "examples", some of which are contentious, including stuff which could never be proved in a court of law - but also includes holocaust denial which is a criminal offence in many countries (but not a specific offence in the UK). Curiously, the last example is "Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel" which seems to admit that the state of Israel does things which it ought not do.