Middle East Conflict

There is no need to make a comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany. It’s a comparison that is wrong and offensive to those that were systematically exterminated in a cold, clinical manner and without provocation.

I disagree with the Israeli response and the needless deaths. It is also counterproductive and devoid of any long term plan or strategy. While Netanyahu and others like him remain in power there is no chance of any meaningful peace. The same is true of Hamas. They both feed off each other.
Which is what a lot of people have said in here, from seemingly opposite sides of the debate.
 
I am a little uneasy with this talk of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. While the list certainly includes things someone who is anti-Semitic may say or do, I am not sure it works the other way: that someone who says or does some of those things is, by definition, anti-Semitic. It certainly doesn't work that way in law in the UK, for example. There is no offence (or definition) of anti-Semitism in UK law. Unless I am wrong, which is entirely possible, of course, the offence would fall under hate crime legislation which also has to consider motivation.

Put it this way, if there was a similar definition of anti-Palestinianism, anti-Arabism or Islamophobia (take your pick), the joke you made earlier about suicide bombers could fall under two of the corresponding activities described in the definition. Should you be prosecuted? Should you lose your livelihood, as some people on here have been saying about the idiot woman with the stupid placard? Should you be labelled an Islamophobe? Of course not.

It all goes too far, imho.
In fairness @Prestwich_Blue When I read that response whether being sarcastic or not, I found it in very poor taste.
 

No it isn't legally binding in itself. But the police and CPS can use it to demonstrate antisemitism.
Inter alia, it can be used to go after people who express a political opinion about a foreign state. British citizens cheering it on.
 
No it isn't legally binding in itself. But the police and CPS can use it to demonstrate antisemitism.
I understand the reason for having the IHRA and let it never happen again, to anyone.
But, admittedly if taken out of historical context, it does read like a total outlawing of criticism to anything Jewish or Israeli.
I don’t get some of the definitions. Why can you not criticise anything Jewish but not equally recognise the same definitions for any religion or ethnicity.

I am not belittling anti-semitism. I just don think every criticism of, for example, a right wing government’s policy is antisemitic.
Perhaps it’s a critic of how they are in danger of becoming what they hate, while remaining the victim.

I looked at the IHRA definitions and noted Ireland are signed up to them, and couldn’t help thinking how a similar list of antiIrish or even anti-Catholic definitions that had they been signed up to in Britain alone, would have come in handy in the last century.

And before you say it, I am not comparing any one event between our countries, even the famine, or the penal laws or the emigration ship deportations, to anything like the holocaust.
But do you understand my point?

The holocaust happened. The IHRA has just reason to pursue their aims, but can you see that there are a lot of other ‘peoples’ that would like the same protections, either now or in the past.
 
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On the 6th October there seemed little "anti Jewish" feeling world wide, the 7th as said was shocking but the response from Israel is barbaric in the extreme and has done their cause and feeling towards them huge damage.

Yes they has to retaliate against Hamas but against the innocent in Gaza?

Not from me and I have to say it's left me feeling very indifferent towards them.

And what about the 200 plus hostages? Most are Jewish, their leaders don't seem to have much feeling for them, do they?
The hostages is the thing I don’t get most about this approach.
Of course you may be sure that talks are going on however.
The are many governments involved, including our own, trying to negotiate for one young girl with an Irish passport.
You may be sure the US and UK governments and perhaps others are working in the background.
 
In fairness @Prestwich_Blue When I read that response whether being sarcastic or not, I found it in very poor taste.
I'm not taking lessons on good taste from an Irishman, when the Celtic fans, who clearly associate themselves with the Catholic community in Ireland, booed the two minutes silence this last weekend and after many Scots have bravely fought and given their lives for their country. Did you condemn that as being in poor taste? Let me check.

Yes of course it was sarcastic, and someone, well quite a few, have actually done that in the name of their religion. Now of course they only represent a small minority of that religion fortunately. But they've done it regularly and mostly against their own kind.
Whereas Israel has never undertaken industrial-scale extermination against the Palestinians (although it's obviously not treated them particularly well or fairly). Nazi Germany reduced the global Jewish population by 50% between 1933 and 1945, whereas the Palestinian population has QUINTUPLED since 1948.

But essentially you're just deflecting. And to answer the post from @halfcenturyup, you can be as uneasy as you want but the IHRA definition is an internationally agreed definition based on a consensus of a number of individual experts and bodies on the subject.

Like we joke about it being a shame that UEFA and CAS didn't call some of the united and Liverpool "financial geniuses" who "know" City are "financial cheats", it's a shame the IHRA they didn't consult some of the "antisemitism experts" on Bluemoon.
 
On the 6th October there seemed little "anti Jewish" feeling world wide, the 7th as said was shocking but the response from Israel is barbaric in the extreme and has done their cause and feeling towards them huge damage.
Obviously no one was antisemitic before October (sarcasm alert for those who don't quite grasp the concept).

But what you're essentially saying is that it's OK and understandable to persecute Jews for Israel's actions. Some of you on here are fucking brain dead.
 

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