Middle East Conflict

[Mr Kobayashi]

RE: EFTA. So unrealistic it was suggested to us by the EU themselves.

Quote me in the appropriate thread with a citation.

 

[SWP's back]

Does that include pointing out that hostages are being taken as bargaining chips? Something that mainstream media have highlighted.

Here's some context to the claim Israel would kill it's own.

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Did they treat that German girl as nicely as you suggested they might when they raped, killed and paraded her dead with one leg bent the wrong way on the back of a Hilux?

 

[Metal Biker]

Quote me in the appropriate thread with a citation.

Kind of difficult when you and your 'mates' got me permabanned, innit.

 

[halfcenturyup]

But does that mean it's stolen?

Not by the individual who "bought" it, but by the state that subsumed it, yes. Presumably.

 

[SWP's back]

Pah, as if he could afford me!

Tbf I’ve deleted that post as it belittled the terrible seriousness of the subject and was a poor post from myself.

 

[Metal Biker]

I've answered it 4 times already. It was the same answer I gave you yesterday to which you agreed. @Metal Biker thinks if Hamas stop the bombing then one day the Israelis might give them their stolen land back. To which there's not One person anywhere on the planet outside of the Israeli bubble who thinks that will ever happen.

So we agree, Israel gives back the land they illegally took that is not part of the UN accepted international borders of the State of Israel.

How would that appease Hamas who wants the State of Israel to no longer exist? How would that fend off the likes of Hezbollah and the Iranian Regime from inciting more violence through Hamas? Whilst agree that should be the first move, it doesn't go much further towards healing divisions, acceptance of both groups to live peacefully in the same region.

Where is the international protection for both Palestinians and Israeli citizens from more violence?

 

[Metal Biker]

Tbf I’ve deleted that post as it belittled the terrible seriousness of the subject and was a poor post from myself.

Done the same.

 

[The blue phantom]

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So we agree, Israel gives back the land they illegally took that is not part of the UN accepted international borders of the State of Israel.

How would that appease Hamas who wants the State of Israel to no longer exist? How would that fend off the likes of Hezbollah and the Iranian Regime from inciting more violence through Hamas? Whilst agree that should be the first move, it doesn't go much further towards healing divisions, acceptance of both groups to live peacefully in the same region.

Where is the international protection for both Palestinians and Israeli citizens from more violence?

Yep the land they have thieved should be given back. As for International protection you have all the might of the Yanks on board who are ready to do or supply anything to the Israeli cause as mentioned by Biden Yesterday. As for the Palestinians well I'm not sure many nations give One fuck about them tbh

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Did they treat that German girl as nicely as you suggested they might when they raped, killed and paraded her dead with one leg bent the wrong way on the back of a Hilux?

I said hostages didn't I? Unfortunately It sounds like that that woman was never going to be taken alive.

And if she was German and not a dual national unfortunately she would have had little value to them as a bargaining chip. Feel free to quote where I said rape and torture was okay.

This thread could go on for a long time if we want to discuss which side has committed atrocities.

I make a point of avoiding extreme content on social media regardless of the conflict.

 

[wolviedinho]

The Israel/Palestine conflict goes around and around depending on what “side” you are on and based on your religious upbringing and geographical location.

What can be done? The fighting will never stop and the western world leaders all have their own agenda to keep this stoked.

Bloody shitshow with no winners but hate filled killing. It can never be justified nor can it be be condemned.

It just is.

Coming from a country that has a bloody history itself I can see no argument for either side. The failure is human. Maybe once AI takes over they can sort it out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yep the land they have thieved should be given back. As for International protection you have all the might of the Yanks on board who are ready to do or supply anything to the Israeli cause as mentioned by Biden Yesterday. As for the Palestinians well I'm not sure any nation gives One fuck about them tbh.
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I doubt Iran or Hezbollah have genuine concerns for the Palestinian people either. Right now they are a useful foil for them, to be seen inflicting violence against Jews without getting their own hands dirtied.

Which is why I mentioned, for Palestine and Palestinians to gain more international support, and therefore influence over Israel and it's illegal actions, they MUST be seen to bin off their terrorist elements and supporters of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian Regime. How serious do they want peace with Israel, Israelis and the Jewish communities there, when they give support to elements that champion for their utter eradication from the earth?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Kind of difficult when you and your 'mates' got me permabanned, innit.

I've not got you permabanned from anything.And I don't remember reporting any of your posts.

I doubt there are people PMing eachother as a conspiracy to get you banned, and if there are I've never been included, don't be so conspiratorial.

If you want to post in there again just PM a moderator or ric and if you are a good boy they'll get it unlocked. I've done that before and had it granted without hassle.

 

[MadchesterCity]

religious brainwashed lunatics, …

If only someone could prove both there made up gods don’t exist, unfortunately they’d still find something to argue about

 

[Vic]

I did exactly that; you're just not happy that my answer didn't involve violence. So i'll repeat it for you;

Remove Hamas as their representatives, install a more moderate, co-operative government that uses dialogue, not aggression, to press their case before the United Nations. Create dialogue with the Israeli Government. Publicly disassociate with Hezbollah and Iran, which are also seen as hostile towards Jews and the continued existance of the State of Israel.

And that would stop Israel occupying their land? Do you really need quotes from current Israeli ministers to show how naive that is?

 

[SWP's back]

I make a point of avoiding extreme content on social media regardless of the conflict.

Yeah I’ll bet. It’s a great deal easier to believe you’re entirely correct if you don’t have to see the consequences to real humans.

 

[SWP's back]

And that would stop Israel occupying their land? Do you really need quotes from current Israeli ministers to show how naive that is?

He was asked what he would do. Is his answer any worse than anyone else’s? Does his answer not contain the fewest possible deaths of innocents going forward?

Only a simple **** (or a psychotic one like Blue Cigar) could possibly believe the events of this weekend will do anything other than make the situation worse for 2 million Palestinian’s as a course of action.

 

[The Salford lad.]

Taking chicken often hostage and dragging hostages through the streets of Gaza , any kind of sympathies I had for them is gone, no different than Daeesh …

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Yeah I’ll bet. It’s a great deal easier to believe you’re entirely correct if you don’t have to see the consequences to real humans.

If you want to misread something that's on you.

I said hostages, it was also a hope that they were, would be good if the swap happens sooner than later.

I'm not a scholar or a journalist so I don't purposely go out and find extreme stuff that puts me in a bad mood, I even switch news channels if there's a distressing story.

You've been spoiling for a fight since yesterday, and I'll not be joining in with you. The substantive points are more interesting than who is "a shill, anti-Semite or warmonger".

 

[lee_wsm]

Who thinks Russia had something to do with this to take some focus away from them and revenge for Israel helping Ukraine

 

[SWP's back]

Who thinks Russia had something to do with this to take some focus away from them and revenge for Israel helping Ukraine

I think their focus is well on their disastrous campaign tbh. This is Iran all over. They don’t want normalisation of relations between Israel and Saudi and The Gulf States.