Middle East Conflict

[Mr Kobayashi]

Relocate the Wailing Wall to a Jewish dominated area and the deal on the table 30 years ago could have been signed off. Sorry for not giving a shit about the religious sensitivities with 1,500 people killed in the last two days.

I'd take all of their toys away from them and insist it was all raised to the ground. The Wall and the Mosque/Temple(s) in contested areas.

If you can't stop abusing and killing each other over it then you can't have it at all.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I'd take all of their toys away from them and insist it was all raised to the ground. The Wall and the Mosque/Temple(s) in contested areas.

If you can't stop abusing and killing each other over it then you can't have it at all.

That's pretty much how I see it. The existence of a wall and a mosque are responsible for countless conflicts, persecution and deaths.

 

[The blue phantom]

Actually you only have to look as far as the Iraq Wars, Vietnam, a hell of a lot of WW2 sieges to see the same tactic being deployed. As stated before, this is now a war, innocents get caught up in such events.

Israel didn't agree to sign the protocol which is against the cutting off of supplies to civilians. They aren't stopping supplies from coming in via humanitarian aid, they're just not supplying them directly from Israel anymore. Anyone can still send aid to Gaza, and Israel won't stop you.

So you're saying theyll let any Country take in Food/Water Fuel to the very place they are illegally occupying?

 

[mcfcmatt]

Plenty getting their knickers in a twist on this thread isn’t there.
However whilst all rowing and I’m right you are wrong won’t change the fact that innocent people are losing their lives due to religion.

Some on here need to give their heads a shake.

Got my United away tickets anyway.

 

[Metal Biker]

So you're saying theyll let any Country take in Food/Water Fuel to the very place they are illegally occupying?

That's your favourite thing to say.

They haven't said they are going to stop any humanitarian aid enter Gaza. But you can't use Israeli roads, air space or waters. Any power generated for the area from Israeli power plants are cut off. So is any water purification, gas, fuels etc.

Let Hamas provide it. Or Russia.

 

[The blue phantom]

That's your favourite thing to say.

They haven't said they are going to stop any humanitarian aid enter Gaza. But you can't use Israeli roads, air space or waters. Any power generated for the area from Israeli power plants are cut off. So is any water purification, gas, fuels etc.

Let Hamas provide it. Or Russia.

Just fuckin lol. So basically nothings getting in

 

[Metal Biker]

Just fuckin lol. So basically nothings getting in

Not via Israel, which is the point.

Hamas didn't think it through, did they?

Hamas murders Israeli civilians yet expects the gas, electricity and food supplies to continue?

 

[Ric]

The most toxic thread on bm I've ever seen.
Should be pulled.

Threads about Israel and Palestine have always been like this since the early days of the forum, sadly. Given the magnitude of events in the region over the last few days, I don’t think pulling the thread is an option though as people inevitably want to discuss it.

I am going to lock it for a while, however, as it’s been getting a bit out of hand today, and increasingly time-consuming to moderate. There are some on both sides who need to tone down the rhetoric.

 

[The blue phantom]

Thanks for opening the thread again Ric. It seems every other football forum has an active Israeli thread open yet this one always gets turned On & off. Isn't it easier to just thread ban the offenders so everyone else can carry on posting. Anyway once a again cheers.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

A military blockade is a basic tactic. However, one of the stranger reports I heard today was that if Israel continues to bomb WITHOUT WARNING WHERE AND WHEN SO PEOPLE CAN LEAVE, Hamas is going to publicly execute an Israeli hostage! The Israeli Ambassador simply said, “We will not be blackmailed!”

This could get uglier, esp on social media, where Hamas appears to want to turn world opinion against Israel, but the murder and slaughter of innocents seems to be be in direct contradiction to their stated goals!

To me, with no direct dog in the hunt (yet), it appears Hamas has given Israel a green light for a shock and awe campaign that might live long in the memory and reshape the landscape of Gaza forever!

 

[Ducado]

I think far too many people are so wedded to their viewpoints on both sides that they forget that there are innocent people suffering on all sides

And all that is happening is future generations are being radicalised, ensuring that the future is just a repeat of the past and on it goes, until finally a compromise is reached and both sides need to make compromises

For far too long the Middle East had been the plaything of global politics, is it not time that the world intervened for the sake of what could be a prosperous and advanced region, I personally prefer peace as do the majority of Israelis and Palestinians

I have many Israelis friends who think the same way, although the voting system does tend to elevate far right parties the reality is , the far right has very little support, the problem is there is a lack if a unified opposition

 

[paulchapo]

I can't believe we're in the year 2023 and there are still wars, famine, terrorists attacks and so on. The human race are being played like a fiddle and can't see it. There is enough wealth and the wherewithal for everybody to live a decent life. It's not the politicians or the very wealthy who are fighting these wars or suffering, it never is. It profits a lot of them to keep it all going though. People world-wide just need to say no but they sadly won't.

 

[The blue phantom]

The absolute state of the BBC Journalist. He list his dead relatives and then its "Yeh but you can't condone what Hamas has done"

Calm as fuck throughout he is.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I think far too many people are so wedded to their viewpoints on both sides that they forget that there are innocent people suffering on all sides

And all that is happening is future generations are being radicalised, ensuring that the future is just a repeat of the past and on it goes, until finally a compromise is reached and both sides need to make compromises

For far too long the Middle East had been the plaything of global politics, is it not time that the world intervened for the sake of what could be a prosperous and advanced region, I personally prefer peace as do the majority of Israelis and Palestinians

I have many Israelis friends who think the same way, although the voting system does tend to elevate far right parties the reality is , the far right has very little support, the problem is there is a lack if a unified opposition

It’s partially that and partially the demand for every term used to be defined repeatedly to try and determine anti-semitism or Islamophobia.

I keep out of these threads as emotions run high and I would probably use the wrong terminology without intent nor malice.

All the innocent deaths should be condemned by everyone and we should be united by attempts to bring peace talks, compromise and an end to all the futile suffering that happens repeatedly.

 

[The blue phantom]

Let's see if the UN can get this aid in

"I urge all sides and the relevant parties to allow United Nations access to deliver urgent humanitarian assistance to Palestinian civilians trapped and helpless in the Gaza Strip," he said while appealing to the international community to mobilize immediate humanitarian support"

UN chief 'deeply distressed' by planned Israeli siege of Gaza

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Monday he was "deeply distressed" by an announcement that Israel will initiate a complete siege of the Gaza Strip following an attack by the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas over the weekend.

www.reuters.com

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This could get uglier, esp on social media, where Hamas appears to want to turn world opinion against Israel, but the murder and slaughter of innocents seems to be be in direct contradiction to their stated goals!

Crazy that they would think that would turn public opinion against Israel and in their favour. Basically Isis tactics.

 

[york away to this!]

Perhaps this whole thread should not be tucked away in the "politics" sub-forum.
It should be out in off topic, or in a religious wars sub-category.

 

[The blue phantom]

Crazy that they would think that would turn public opinion against Israel and in their favour. Basically Isis tactics.

Wait until potentially thousands of innocent children are in bodybags while this siege is going on and see which way public opinion shifts.

 

[SWP's back]

Wait until potentially thousands of innocent children are in bodybags while this siege is going on and see which way public opinion shifts.

If that’s happening AND Hamas are cutting civilians heads off and live streaming it at the same time then only a **** should be rooting for either of them.

 

[Keeper!]

Fucking religion has a lot to answer for, hate and killing for a man made fantasy, FFS