Middle East Conflict

The FA not deciding yet if they are going light up the Wembley arch and the BBC not saying the word Terriost is getting more fuckin traction than the events over in Palestine/Israel.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I fear you are probably correct. It’s arguably already started.
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Syria have had a go launching rockets into Israel in the last 24 hours. Would we see Iran start having a go? Israel has a vastly technological advanced military compared to both those countries, I don’t see the Yanks getting involved even with the Gerald Ford parked up and ready to go in the region.
 
The blue phantom said:
Absolutely Abhorrent. But don't try and say "A few nutters" there's a staggering amount of videos with dozens of Israels from numerous Israeli protest wishing death on the Palestinians. They are equally as bad as each other regarding this. Braverman now wants Palestinian flag waving a crime in parts of London.
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There is a difficult line here because Hamas are designated as a terrorist organisation and it is illegal to glorify the actions of terrorists.

Seeing people 'coincidentally' celebrating Palestinian resistance, IE, murder of Israeli's on Saturday evening doesn't really sit right with me.

Like you say, both as bad as each other but there are illegalities to consider too.
 
hammocity said:
There’s no thought on this for the people just trying to live as normal a life as possible. Just read the history on one post, it’s fuck all to do with what happened in the past, going back a long way, that’s just excuses.

I’m pretty sure most of tbe average population just want to get on with their lives and bringing up their children. As always, the wankers who say they represent the people are in it mainly for themselves.

Can anyone genuinely question why the Jewish population are so guarded after the Holocaust of just around 80 years ago, similarly can anyone not feel sympathy for the normal Palestinian population continually dragged into conflict by anti Zionist rhetoric?

It’s truly tragic that a small minority can drive a wedge between ordinary folk, I can’t take sides, there’s no binary opinion that will ever win, conciliation is the only answer but it looks pretty bleak.
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I'm sorry, but that first paragraph really doesn't fit the situation (or even the third paragraph). One side claims a historic title to the land from 3000 years ago, and there are 7 million Palestinian refugees (including descendants of those who've been displaced over the last 80 years). You can't reverse history, and you can't ignore it.
 
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Mr Kobayashi said:
www.timesofisrael.com

At Jerusalem Flag March, chants of ‘Death to Arabs’ and assaults on Palestinians

Still, contentious event ends without major incident as thousands of religious nationalists participate; some attack Palestinians and reporters, sing 'May your village burn'
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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I was thinking more of international rallys in support of their side in the current campaign but I suppose I wasn’t specific in my previous comment. Like I said, this is an unneeded distraction anyway.
 
inbetween said:
There is a difficult line here because Hamas are designated as a terrorist organisation and it is illegal to glorify the actions of terrorists.

Seeing people 'coincidentally' celebrating Palestinian resistance, IE, murder of Israeli's on Saturday evening doesn't really sit right with me.

Like you say, both as bad as each other but there are illegalities to consider too.
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You know waving a Palestinian flag in no way is saying I support Hamas?
 
I'm usually clued up on history and geography but on this one I have no idea.

Is there an unbiased history of the region and why they are fighting I can read/watch somewhere?

I have no views on the whole thing until I can read facts and make my mind up.

I have seen a lot of the British-Asian population nearby in Bradford waving Palestine flags before. Could they be from Palestine or could this just be a dig at the Jews? Do those with a Muslim faith dislike the Jewish faith?
 
Vic said:
I'm sorry, but that first paragraph really doesn't fit the situation (or even the third paragraph). One side claims a historic title go the land from 3000 years ago, and there are 7 million Palestinian refugees (including descendants of those who've been displaced over the last 80 years). You can't reverse history, but you can't ignore it.
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I never said ignore history but there’s no point not looking for a solution. We were at war with Germany and there were horrific war crimes committed, we didn’t use that as a barrier to deny peace and we did find a solution and lasting harmony.

As I said, this goes nowhere if genuine conciliation is not on the table, regardless of history it’s the here and now that’s important, unfortunately whilst we have zealots leading both sides ordinary people will never have the life they deserve, it’s sad as fuck.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m not sure you get to define what the question is, mate!

I don’t know, and nor does anyone else on this thread, and given that it’s perfectly understandable and permissible to hypothesise.
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Good grief.

They say truth is the first casualty of war. Now it appears that the first casualty is not being concerned about what is true or not.
 
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