Middle East Conflict

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Just after it happened they WERE talking about it, only when the slow realisation dawned that it could possibly have been the other side did it quieten down and the talk moved onto other things.

Strange isn’t it. Last night there were so many angry posters on here, who were jumping to conclusions often about Twitter posts.. as soon it was discovered it might not have been Isreal, those same posters are now silent and have moved onto other subjects, as you say.

There was no balance at all.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

The evidence convinced me it was a Hamas supported misfired rocket.

The lack of a crater, the burning fire after contact, the Ariel surveillance, the lack of building structural damage, the wiretapped Hamas phone discussion, and the visual and infrared evidence all point in one direction.

Sure, could this all have been faked? Possibly. But unlikely.


I'm going to conclude the obvious. Hamas error.

I believe the organisation some (including me based on what I’m hearing) are holding responsible is Islamic Jihad rather than Hamas.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Is this wire tapping carried out by the Isreali intelligence , the same intelligence service that had no idea terrorist attacks were going to happen 10 days ago. Doesn't seem like a trustworthy source to me.

Same goes for the strategic bombing being carried out. We are being asked to be believe that 10 days ago they had no idea an attack was imminent but now they suddenly have military targets for 6000 bombs? Im no expert but is that plausible?

How convenient that the time Israel most needs evidence to prove “it wasn’t them”, as the world began to wake up and smell the coffee and condemn their genocidal atrocities, they’re able to capture crystal clear audio confessions and neatly worded documents that ties it all together like the end of an episode of Scooby Doo.

Investigation done and dusted, with the conclusion that they aren’t the bad guys when the dust hasn’t even settled on the hundreds of dead bodies.

And those pesky IJ/Hamas terrorists would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those meddling Israelis. :rolleyes:

Biden with his unwavering support for the terrorist state is also unsurprising.

 

[Dax777]

Is this wire tapping carried out by the Isreali intelligence , the same intelligence service that had no idea terrorist attacks were going to happen 10 days ago. Doesn't seem like a trustworthy source to me.

Again, to follow how evidence works, it's the preponderance of evidence that's convincing, not any one particular evidence.

But certainly the absence of evidence about something else entirely( the attacks 10 days ago for example) doesn't cast doubt.

It's like saying you don't trust the evidence the police have in catching one person who assaulted a woman because they lacked evidence about a robbery down the street. That's weird reasoning.

Same goes for the strategic bombing being carried out. We are being asked to be believe that 10 days ago they had no idea an attack was imminent but now they suddenly have military targets for 6000 bombs? Im no expert but is that plausible?

Again, just coz they didn't know one thing doesn't mean they can't know other things.

For good or bad, Israel had been more focused ( wrongly it now seems) on the West Bank and Hezbollah to the north. Since the threat from hamas had often come from them launching rockets which Israel mostly neutralized with the Iron Dome.

So it's not beyond reason that they were complacent. Noe is it now beyond reason that they have been gathering info on where these rockets often gets launched from.


None of this is beyond what one can reasonably expect to believe. But I guess you see it differently.

 

[Ducado]

I’ve seen some people mention the normalisation of relationships between Israel and the Arab world

Yes it may have been one of the factors but the far biggest problem was ignoring the issue thinking it could be managed mainly by great brutality, the west let it fester and did nothing, no peace talks since 2014, and if we keep ignoring it, it blow up again

On to the conflict itself I don’t think we will see a substantial ground incursion

 

[Dage]

How convenient that the time Israel most needs evidence to prove “it wasn’t them”, as the world began to wake up and smell the coffee and condemn their genocidal atrocities, they’re able to capture crystal clear audio confessions and neatly worded documents that ties it all together like the end of an episode of Scooby Doo.

Investigation done and dusted, with the conclusion that they aren’t the bad guys when the dust hasn’t even settled on the hundreds of dead bodies.

And those pesky IJ/Hamas terrorists would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those meddling Israelis. :rolleyes:

Biden with his unwavering support for the terrorist state is also unsurprising.

You can find that strange but have you any points to not believe the evidence? Also why is it strange to think that Israel massively turned their intelligence into Gaza?

 

[Dax777]

Its fuck all to do with what is virtuous, for most people.
It's about what is right and wrong.

Yes, Hamas is all wrong. Nothing about them is right. But most on the left will not be caught dead saying it. Which confirms this is not merely about right and wrong. It's partly about it. But not wholly.

I mean, how can anyone not see Hamas is just plain wrong for Palestinians? They shoot rockets from Cemeteries near a hospitals in Palestinian land. :(

This is a group with a 15% -25% failure rate on their rocket launches and still they take so little precaution.

If it was about right and wrong, it's clear as day this group is ALL Wrong.

 

[Dax777]

I believe the organisation some (including me based on what I’m hearing) are holding responsible is Islamic Jihad rather than Hamas.

Hamas controls Gaza. If an organization inside Gaza today is launching rockets at Israel, it is with the blessing, support and knowledge of the Government/Terrorists group Hamas.

Unless we believe that Islamic Jihad is just running wild in Gaza doing whatever they want.

 

[Rascal]

It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.

I would love you to explain how the left have jumped into bed with Islam

“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions."

Karl Marx.

The left want to abolish religion, it favours secular humanism.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

That sounds positive at least.