Middle East Conflict

[TinFoilHat]

Cue the usual IDF tropes in response...

 

[Dax777]

I would argue for as long as Netanyahu and politicians who think like him remain in power there is equally nope of any political or economic solution here. They have no interest in peace and one could make the point that Hamas' existence is good for their political careers.

Netanyahu will likely be kicked out after the war. So it's probably a good thing that he clears out the other obstacles to progress I suppose.

 

[Pelegrinni]

This is another of those arguments that don't make a lot of sense. These are protests presumably against the effects of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory and the perceived disproportionate response to the terrorist attack. Why would they address anything else?

Why wouldn't the "protests" in support of Israel immediately after the attack, for example, also have denounced the occupation of Gaza, for example, which, to some extent, in one way or another, have led to it?

Nonsense.

There is so much to debate on this issue without going down these rabbit holes.

Israel left Gaza since 2005.
What occupation are you talking about?

 

[Username Required]

Further to the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Istanbul over the weekend, which was posted about on this thread -

AKP holds large pro-Palestinian rally in Istanbul - Türkiye News

Hundreds of thousands of people gathered at a pro-Palestinian rally arranged by the ruling Justice and Development Party's (AKP) Istanbul organization on Oct. 28.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

I read some of Erdogan's remarks on Saturday but I missed this:

"What was Gaza and Palestine in 1947, what is it today? Israel, how did you get here? How did you get in? You are an invader..."

Türkiye to introduce Israel to world as war criminal: Turkish President Erdogan

Those shedding crocodile tears for civilians killed in Ukraine-Russia war silently watching killing of children in Gaza, says Turkish president - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

He [Erdogan] said Israel is an “occupier,” adding: “West owes you, but Türkiye does not owe you.”

 

[halfcenturyup]

Israel left Gaza since 2005.
What occupation are you talking about?

This again? It is occupied territory under international law, for a host of reasons. Take it up with the lawyers, not with me.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Cue the usual IDF tropes in response...

Can't be real, surely? That isn't anything you put in a memo.

 

[Vialli98]

Netanyahu will likely be kicked out after the war. So it's probably a good thing that he clears out the other obstacles to progress I suppose.

I hope so, he is a war criminal who he tried before the Hague.

The problem with your second sentence is that he is attempting to do that whilst murdering 7000 people, likely thousands more stuck under the rubble, so I'm having a hard time classifying that as a good thing.

 

[Pelegrinni]

This is just IDF propaganda, I'm sorry. It's IDF talking points almost word for word.

You are asking civilians, many of them physically and literally incapable of fleeing to flee and then you drop thousands of bombs of them and your response to their horrific deaths is 'oh well we told them to move'. You should maybe take a breather and re-examine what you're defending here.

And then those that can flee to the south are met with more indiscriminate bombings in the south, so forgive me if I doubt that the IDF have noble intentions.

I hope you never find yourself in a war zone.
Maybe then, you will appreciate what it means.
Millions of Ukrainians fled their country because of war. Same with Syria, Georgia, Iraq etc.

The cynic in me thinks some people just want to see dead Palestinians just so they could point the finger at Israel.

Thank goodness almost a million have moved south of Gaza. The few that are left in the north (apart from the old and infirm) would be considered as part of the Hamas military machine.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Can't be real, surely? That isn't anything you put in a memo.

המסמך המלא של משרד המודיעין: כיבוש עזה וטרנספר כולל לתושביו - שיחה מקומית

מסמך מטעם משרד המודיעין, שתוכנו המלא מתפרסם כאן לראשונה, ממליץ להעביר באופן כפוי את אוכלוסיית הרצועה לסיני לצמיתות

www.mekomit.co.il

The link does translate into English.

Like Ukraine/Russia it's good to be skeptical

 

[Pelegrinni]

YouTube again? Or Wikipedia this time?

Edit: :) Sorry, that probably sounded condescending. It wasn't supposed to be. I just thought it was a weird "threat".

Doesn't matter.
Why did they start the second intifada?

Then you have the offer made to Abbas which was even more generous.

Many countries were created in the 20th century some of which involved large population relocation. India and Pakistan being a prime example.
These countries have moved on except the Arabs of Palestine.
I wonder why.