Middle East Conflict

You may be right, the biggest bully of them all may prevail. But I think your characterization of Hezbollah is wrong. If they see that no-one else is going to stop Israel from killing 100,000 , or whatever number they think is enough, then they'll go ahead.
I don't even see how Hezbollah can attack Israel. They can't attack by sea or air and that only leaves land. However if they attack by land then they'll be picked off very easily.

In any event Hezbollah aren't interested in the Palestinians, their goal is to destroy Israel but we know that any attempt of that would be a very pointless exercise.

Keeping the vocal part of that pointless exercise going is as important to them though as it is for Hamas. How else will they keep the stolen aid flowing which pays for their gold plated mansions in the safety of Turkey and Qatar?
 
Nothing hits the spot more on peace than terrorist loving and scrapping.





Does intifada definitely mean genocide? Or has someone heard an Arabic sounding word and drawn their own conclusions as to what it means?

Either way, if David Atherton genuinely finds genocide repugnant then it might make sense to speak out about the one that's actually happening.
 
Does intifada definitely mean genocide? Or has someone heard an Arabic sounding word and drawn their own conclusions as to what it means?

Either way, if David Atherton genuinely finds genocide repugnant then it might make sense to speak out about the one that's actually happening.
Just checked. Literally means shaking off. But in the context of Palestine it means uprising.
 
Hezbollah are cowards, there is no chance that they're going to act because they know what that means. The US has two carrier strike groups in the Eastern Mediterranean and there are probably a ton of special forces already in Israel.

So far the US has shown restraint in supporting Israel, they have said a lot but they haven't done a lot. That all changes if Israel is attacked.

You have to remember that the US has bases in Greece and also there is the RAF base in Cyprus. They can bring trouble to Hezbollah very quickly.

Everyone in that region is scared shitless of US involvement and that's why they're largely not getting involved.
Honestly don’t know about your assessment of Hezbollah but your assessment of the US deterrent may well be correct. They’re not off the coast for nothing.
They have armaments storage bases within Israel and see it as a foothold in the region.
This doesn’t make what Israel are allowed get away with within Palestine right though and the whole of the western world are complicit. I’m talking about 50 if not 70 years of the history of the place, not just the last month.

Israel will do what they want because they are allowed without consequences from the west.

What the Arab world can or will do, I don’t know.
Who’s right who’s wrong? Well that’s a much more difficult question.
There’s a lot wrong in the Arab world. There’s a lot wrong with Hamas in power without elections in a decade or so, but nothing happens in isolation.

Isolation? Nothing that is except for the Palestinian people.
I don’t know how anyone can look at their history and not come to the conclusion that they are being systematically moved out of that area both illegally and ‘legally’ in quotes, purposely.

You can justify anything you want and act appallingly while doing it.
Israel in my view with Netanyahu and his cronies would never let an opportunity like this pass for further clearing of the land.

We’ll see though. It's just my opinion. I don’t have much confidence in any news coming out of Israel at the moment.
 
Does intifada definitely mean genocide? Or has someone heard an Arabic sounding word and drawn their own conclusions as to what it means?

Either way, if David Atherton genuinely finds genocide repugnant then it might make sense to speak out about the one that's actually happening.
It means Stone uprising/rebellion. I don't think there has every been a genocide using slingshots, perhaps in the Stone age who knows. That tweet is a perfect example of weaponising language to malign the Palestinian liberation movement and justify an ongoing genocide
 
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It means Stone uprising/rebellion. I don't think there has every been a genocide using slingshots, perhaps in the Stone age who knows. That post is a perfect example of weaponising language to malign the Palestinian liberation movement and justify an ongoing genocide

All three videos in that post were a mess. People need to think about things a bit more critically before they post crap like that.
 
Does intifada definitely mean genocide? Or has someone heard an Arabic sounding word and drawn their own conclusions as to what it means?

Either way, if David Atherton genuinely finds genocide repugnant then it might make sense to speak out about the one that's actually happening.
Read the Hamas charter written in 1988. There is no doubt what Hamas is stiving for...
Note: the 2017 update puts lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig with more nuanced words to attempt to hide the end goal.
 
Read the Hamas charter written in 1988. There is no doubt what Hamas is stiving for...
Note: the 2017 update puts lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig with more nuanced words to attempt to hide the end goal.

I know who Hamas are. Have we decided that the people on that train are members of Hamas now?
 
Read the Hamas charter written in 1988. There is no doubt what Hamas is stiving for...
Note: the 2017 update puts lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig with more nuanced words to attempt to hide the end goal.
The death rate historically is one Israeli to 20 Palestinians.
The stolen land is off the scale.
Enough of your bullshit.
 
"Hate Demonstrations" Country wide today.

Amazing what I've seen with my own eyes. Jews, Muslims, Christians, along with the political spectrum collectively together in support. Yet the MSM are keeping people In the dark.

Edit: We want peace. We reject the ideology of Netanyahu and Hammas.
 
I'm guessing they aren't the ones who tried to beat up the guy holding the sign "Hamas are terrorists" then?

Tell you what. You get upset about one guy getting pelters for turning up to provoke people who are understandably upset about the carpet bombing of 2m people.

And I'll get upset about the footage of dead kids being pulled from the rubble.

I'm pretty satisfied with which side of history I'm standing on here and it sounds like you are too.

And for the record, no, I dont believe that the people going after that prick with the placard at a demonstration were members of the terrorist group Hamas. Do you? If so, please get a grip.
 
Tell you what. You get upset about one guy getting pelters for turning up to provoke people who are understandably upset about the carpet bombing of 2m people.

And I'll get upset about the footage of dead kids being pulled from the rubble.

I'm pretty satisfied with which side of history I'm standing on here and it sounds like you are too.

And for the record, no, I dont believe that the people going after that prick with the placard at a demonstration were members of the terrorist group Hamas. Do you? If so, please get a grip.
I actually question whether these people are upset about war and death because why weren't they upset on the 7th October? Where were the protests when 1500 Israeli's were killed? Have any of them protested for Hamas to release hostages? Of course they haven't, they just stand on the opposite side of the violence, they aren't opposed to it.

I don't think there is a side of history to stand on other than it all must end. I disagree with Israel's methods, it has gone too far, I think we can all agree on that. However Hamas must stop and release hostages as much as Israel must stop the bombings. Israel isn't going to get far by continuing the bombings but then Hamas is continuing to fight an inevitable war at the detriment of Palestinians. Both are playing a zero sum game.

Unfortunately peace isn't going to happen whilst idiots in London demand for 'Intifadas' and continued armed resistance against a nuclear armed country. The end result is obvious. For many of these people this language isn't used to help Palestinians, it's a political identity issue used to propagate the aims of the Socialist Worker and the hard left.
 
I actually question whether these people are upset about war and death because why weren't they upset on the 7th October? Where were the protests when 1500 Israeli's were killed? Have any of them protested for Hamas to release hostages? Of course they haven't, they just stand on the opposite side of the violence, they aren't opposed to it.

I don't think there is a side of history to stand on other than it all must end. I disagree with Israel's methods, it has gone too far, I think we can all agree on that. However Hamas must stop and release hostages as much as Israel must stop the bombings. Israel isn't going to get far by continuing the bombings but then Hamas is continuing to fight an inevitable war at the detriment of Palestinians. Both are playing a zero sum game.

Unfortunately peace isn't going to happen whilst idiots in London demand for 'Intifadas' and continued armed resistance against a nuclear armed country. The end result is obvious. For many of these people this language isn't used to help Palestinians, it's a political identity issue used to propagate the aims of the Socialist Worker and the hard left.
I was with you, with you, bearing in mind it’s a 6-1 Saturday night and wine has been drank, but you lost me totally at the end.
Forget social workers and the hard left, where do you stand on the plight of the Palestinian people since ‘47 and if you disagree with Israel’s methods, what do you believe they are actually trying to achieve?

Without assuming your perspective, can I suggest one of too choices.
Security or expansion?
 
I actually question whether these people are upset about war and death because why weren't they upset on the 7th October? Where were the protests when 1500 Israeli's were killed? Have any of them protested for Hamas to release hostages? Of course they haven't, they just stand on the opposite side of the violence, they aren't opposed to it.

I don't think there is a side of history to stand on other than it all must end. I disagree with Israel's methods, it has gone too far, I think we can all agree on that. However Hamas must stop and release hostages as much as Israel must stop the bombings. Israel isn't going to get far by continuing the bombings but then Hamas is continuing to fight an inevitable war at the detriment of Palestinians. Both are playing a zero sum game.

Unfortunately peace isn't going to happen whilst idiots in London demand for 'Intifadas' and continued armed resistance against a nuclear armed country. The end result is obvious. For many of these people this language isn't used to help Palestinians, it's a political identity issue used to propagate the aims of the Socialist Worker and the hard left.
Exactly my thoughts with regards to some in this very thread
 

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