Middle East Conflict

Johnny Mars Bar said:
Okay - Saturday then. Which was armistice day, 11th November.

Holding it this weekend was wrong.
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Very few people bother about Armistice Day. Until the RBL asked for it to be commemorated a few years ago for a particular war anniversary, nobody had really "observed" it since Remembrance Sunday was instituted.

It would help if so many people remembering the war to end all wars weren't so keen on not stopping wars.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Is calling pro Palestinian protesters ‘terrorist cunts’ racist?

There’s no need for the aggression and pushing and shoving but IMO that’s not in and of itself a racist statement.

Clearly a load of wankers just out looking for trouble though and that’s both sides.

These protests should’ve been banned on armistice day. By all means have them, but have them on a different day in a different place.
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Clearly wasn't both sides though, was it?
You had a a few dozen of Robinson's dickheads, everyone of which was there, most of them pissed, some of them coked up, for the express purpose of breaking through the police lines to attack the pro ceasefire march and on the other side you had over half a million pro ceasefire marchers, of all ethnicities and backgrounds, including women children and Jewish people, who hardly caused any trouble to speak of.
 
Vic said:
I think you underestimate the extent to which the Holocaust impinges on Jewish memory.

The history of antisemitism is not simple either. It's probably not even a helpful term in itself when it can cover everything from "some Jews are rich and/or have too much influence" to "let's exterminate all Jews" (and when the term was coined even a Zionist leader like Herzl could use what would now be called antisemitic tropes). Alternatively it's a "soft" euphemism for hating Jews.

The IHRA examples are not law. I think they do try to tread a fine line to distinguish between opposition to policies of the state of Israel and being antisemitic, but it's hard to hold that line when many do not make that distinction. I recall the shock in Terry Waite's voice when in a radio interview years ago when he was accused of being antisemitic because he'd criticised Israel - someone who'd been a hostage of Muslim terrorists being accused of antisemitism.
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On the 6th October there seemed little "anti Jewish" feeling world wide, the 7th as said was shocking but the response from Israel is barbaric in the extreme and has done their cause and feeling towards them huge damage.

Yes they has to retaliate against Hamas but against the innocent in Gaza?

Not from me and I have to say it's left me feeling very indifferent towards them.

And what about the 200 plus hostages? Most are Jewish, their leaders don't seem to have much feeling for them, do they?
 
Postman Pep said:
This is sick

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Barnaby has been a passionate and much welcomed anti Israel Jewish voice. I really feel for these journalists in constantly defending Palestine and having to take pelters themselves such as Owen Jones and ash Sarkar but this is extreme. Feel sorry for the guy. Says a lot about the impact a critical voice can have though - he's clearly ruffled some feathers in the IDF
 
Ducado said:
They desperately need media training
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They desperately need to stop lying.
But they won't because they are so used to their every word being lapped up without corroboration or criticism that they feel no shame or hesitation in telling bigger and bigger lies.
People need to stop believing them and start to find out the truth for themselves.
 
DEATH UPDATE
13 November 2023

11,180 Palestinians killed
(3,100 are women)
(4,609 are children)

*not including deaths still under the rubble
 
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