Middle East Conflict

Vic said:
Were the 36 dissidents mainly from Reform Judaism or some orthodox?
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Answering my own question, I assume mostly Reform or Liberal/Progressive as around half the signatories are women.
 
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This week's reading list...

The Holy Land in English Culture 1799-1917: Palestine and the Question of Orientalism

by Eitan Bar-Yosef Oxford English Monographs, OUP 2005



Quick takeaways -



1. The title of this thread is a bit imperialist / Eurocentric. (What do people in “The Middle East” call where they live?)

2. Israeli academics reinforced the "land without people" theme. “Members of the ‘Historical Geography’ school of Israeli academia have produced invaluable work on Western – and very often British – interventions in Palestine. More descriptive than analytical, however, and shaped by an explicit Zionist-Eurocentric agenda (the land is always a forlorn Ottoman province when ‘rediscovered’ by the West), these studies have seldom taken serious notice of the recent [2005] interest in the discursive constructions of the Orient”. [The author is an Israeli academic.]

3. The 19th century Palestine Exploration Fund mapped the region – useful for military operations in WW1 – and the land was treated as international, or even “ours”:

This country of Palestine belongs to you and me, it is essentially ours. It was given to the Father of Israel in the words: "Walk through the land in the length of it, and in the breadth of it, for I will give it unto thee". We mean to walk through Palestine in the length and in the breadth of it, because that land has been given unto us. It is the land from which comes news of our Redemption. It is the land towards which we turn as the fountain of all our hopes; it is the land to which we may look with as true a patriotism as we do in this dear old England, which we love so much.

[Speech at the first meeting of the PEF: William Thomson, the Archbishop of York and first President of the PEF]

4. Most Brits knew nothing about the Empire… "Empire , What Empire?" Or, Why 80% of Early- and Mid-Victorians Were Deliberately Kept in Ignorance of It” [Bernard Porter, Victorian Studies 46/2, 2004]

5. For British troops fighting or policing in Palestine, the "Holy Land / Promised Land" was to get back to Blighty.
 
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... and Shlomo Sand's "The Invention of the State of Israel"

Specially if anyone still thinks this war started on 9/11

Intro and other bits available online:

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The Invention of the Land of Israel

What is a homeland? When does it become a national territory? Why have so many people been willing to die for such places throughout the twentieth century? What is the essence of the Promised Land?Following the acclaimed and controversial The Invention of the Jewish People, Shlomo Sand examines...
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Just 50 Palestinians killed today. I'm sure one of them must have known someone who had a friend who had a Kneecap CD.
Or maybe just listened to them once but that's enough.

I mean, it's only genocide if they are innocent and it certainly isnt a war crime otherwise politicians would have said something.


Wouldn't they ?
 
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Blue Mist said:
Just 50 Palestinians killed today. I'm sure one of them must have known someone who had a friend who had a kneecap CD.
Or maybe just listened to them once but that's enough.

I mean, it's only genocide if they are innocent and it certainly isnt a war crime otherwise politicians would have said something.


Wouldn't they ?
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The irony of the Kneecap story is that they are now receiving death threats for highlighting the fact that innocent people are being killed on purpose by the military.

Is that art imitating life or something like that?
 
Blue and true said:
Finally a journalist in the spotlight who is showing integrity and balls. Not watched yet but apparently some Zionists (in Palestinian territory, shock) point rifles at him in when they're not happy with his slant.

He's a very courageous man.
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I would urge any Bluemooner with access to iPlayer to watch this because as sure as eggs are eggs the BBC will come under tremendous pressure from Israel to can it.

The point with it is Louis Theroux has no slant - as ever he asks a simple question and stands back and lets the subject speak. Anyone who is damned is damned by the words that freely come out of their own mouths.

Watch it and draw your own conclusions
 
bluethrunthru said:
Inevitable

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I find it very worrying that if anyone speaks negatively about Israel they are immediately condemned as an anti semite.
Not just by Jews either. I have no issues with a law abiding Israel and yet I reckon I have been blocked by Blues on here. It gets to the stage where free, open and honest speech is not allowed. When that happens it's a very slippery slope.
 
I dont pretend to have the understanding of the politics behind all this, however I am getting seriously concerned about the huge number of protests taking place in City centres across the country every weekend.

I just feel the whole country is a powder keg at the moment with tens of thousands angry young men just waiting for an opportunity or trigger to start rioting.

I cant see a situation where this fails to escalate.
 
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