Missing Girl found, bloke arrested.

[CTID1988]

Just so I can be clear about this because things have become a little muddy

Are there those in this thread who think it's really OK because they are in love and the age difference is irrelevant?

Are there those in this thread who prefer not to cast any judgement on the case until it comes before a court of law?

You see this where I am confused, there is no doubt in my mind that the couple eloped, can we all agree on this point? Or are there some who think he just took her away for a few days in France, for no other reason to brush up on her French?

It's getting a little confusing, those who say that people should not cast judgement are really demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court, is this what some people want?

I think I have made my position clear in all of this

My opinion is yes, they've eloped but he's abused a position of trust. Teachers, doctors, etc must be above and beyond this professionally. I don't consider him a paedophile unless he has been fucking her for a period of time which is quite possible. So yes, I will reserve judgement until the facts come out. Of course we should debate it.

He isnt a peadophile even if he has been, he would be an Ephebophile (15-19 year olds), which i reckon a good majority of us must be! i know a few blokes who must of eyed up a few 19 year olds before!...

 

[bennyblue]

What a number of the liberal brigade probably wont be aware of is that she only turned 15 in june, yet apparently reported as to be seen holding hands with him back in feb agood 3/4 months before shes even turned 15, so at 15 im reading shes possibly got the intelligence to fully understand love etc it appears this has been brewing/grooming from her being at least 14, so when and how do we determine to give a definite answer as to what the age of consent should be ?, how anyone can try and defend or sympathise with this manipulating nasty nasty piece of work is beyond me hope he gets charged with grooming as statutory rape would be hard to prove good kicking coming his way no doubt when he gets inside.

P.s no more gillick talk either its only applicable in medical circumstances

Holding hands is now a crime FFS

I held my nieces hand when she started to walk is that a crime?

Not at all rascal you were put into a position of trust of which you have undoubtedly not abused unlike he had already before they had even left and just to ask how would you feel if it had been your 14yr old niece who this ever so plesant chap had been holding hands with on a school trip? im also guessing your nieces parents may have a different take on this subject than yours ?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Just so I can be clear about this because things have become a little muddy

Are there those in this thread who think it's really OK because they are in love and the age difference is irrelevant?

Are there those in this thread who prefer not to cast any judgement on the case until it comes before a court of law?

You see this where I am confused, there is no doubt in my mind that the couple eloped, can we all agree on this point? Or are there some who think he just took her away for a few days in France, for no other reason to brush up on her French?

It's getting a little confusing, those who say that people should not cast judgement are really demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court, is this what some people want?

I think I have made my position clear in all of this

Nobody is 'demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court'.
What some of us are saying is that we shouldn't pre-judge a situation before we know the facts.
I don't see what is 'confusing' about that.

So you are saying that he could be innocent of any crime?

He could be innocent of certain crimes but some people still want him hung by his pubes.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Just so I can be clear about this because things have become a little muddy

Are there those in this thread who think it's really OK because they are in love and the age difference is irrelevant?

Are there those in this thread who prefer not to cast any judgement on the case until it comes before a court of law?

You see this where I am confused, there is no doubt in my mind that the couple eloped, can we all agree on this point? Or are there some who think he just took her away for a few days in France, for no other reason to brush up on her French?

It's getting a little confusing, those who say that people should not cast judgement are really demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court, is this what some people want?

I think I have made my position clear in all of this

Nobody is 'demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court'.
What some of us are saying is that we shouldn't pre-judge a situation before we know the facts.
I don't see what is 'confusing' about that.

So you are saying that he could be innocent of any crime?

No - I have stated about 10 times already that I think he is clearly guilty of the abduction of a minor.
We currently know nothing beyond that,and may never do if they both stay silent regarding sexual relations.
But feel free to come to absurd conclusions like the one above if it makes you feel better.

 

[Ducado]

Nobody is 'demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court'.
What some of us are saying is that we shouldn't pre-judge a situation before we know the facts.
I don't see what is 'confusing' about that.

So you are saying that he could be innocent of any crime?

No - I have stated about 10 times already that I think he is clearly guilty of the abduction of a minor.
We currently know nothing beyond that,and may never do if they both stay silent regarding sexual relations.
But feel free to come to absurd conclusions like the one above if it makes you feel better.

Thank You for making that clear

 

[Rascal]

What a number of the liberal brigade probably wont be aware of is that she only turned 15 in june, yet apparently reported as to be seen holding hands with him back in feb agood 3/4 months before shes even turned 15, so at 15 im reading shes possibly got the intelligence to fully understand love etc it appears this has been brewing/grooming from her being at least 14, so when and how do we determine to give a definite answer as to what the age of consent should be ?, how anyone can try and defend or sympathise with this manipulating nasty nasty piece of work is beyond me hope he gets charged with grooming as statutory rape would be hard to prove good kicking coming his way no doubt when he gets inside.

P.s no more gillick talk either its only applicable in medical circumstances

Holding hands is now a crime FFS

I held my nieces hand when she started to walk is that a crime?

Rascal I doubt you even beleive what you have just said! You are attempting to defend this guy or at least give him a chance, but what if it turns out he had been grooming her from the age of 12? Your going to look a but silly

He could well of done or not, you dont know i dont know so using grooming in the thread is disingenous. It proves nothing nor discludes nothing. But as grooming is in the news due to the sad events of muslims in Rochdale and old fat white perverts in Derby makes a point, i feel it is hardly relevant

 

[cleavers]

Just so I can be clear about this because things have become a little muddy

Are there those in this thread who think it's really OK because they are in love and the age difference is irrelevant?

Are there those in this thread who prefer not to cast any judgement on the case until it comes before a court of law?

You see this where I am confused, there is no doubt in my mind that the couple eloped, can we all agree on this point? Or are there some who think he just took her away for a few days in France, for no other reason to brush up on her French?

It's getting a little confusing, those who say that people should not cast judgement are really demanding that we never talk or debate any legal case before it comes to court, is this what some people want?

I think I have made my position clear in all of this

My opinion is yes, they've eloped but he's abused a position of trust. Teachers, doctors, etc must be above and beyond this professionally. I don't consider him a paedophile unless he has been fucking her for a period of time which is quite possible. So yes, I will reserve judgement until the facts come out. Of course we should debate it.

That's where my thinking is.

Its 2 different things.

Did he take her illegally (her consent given or not) yes, under the law that is how it is, he knew that too.
Has he been grooming/screwing her ? None of us know, though we can all speculate. She could have come on to him for all we know, but if she did, in the position he was, he should still have turned her down, no matter how flattered (or excited) he was.
Is he a fool, yes.

 

[sincity]

Of course not

But the reason this story has had so much coverage is it is because it is so rare it happens.

People fall in love though, whether we like it or not as a species our prime aim is to procreate to preserve our species, just as every species does. If the people involved and the powers that mean we follow our instincts pushed them into such a realtionship how can you judge them? If they do really love each other how can we judge natures call?

There is a wild misconception for me on this thread that the man is a nonce, nature didnt invent nonces law did and whilst i agree with the law it has to be flexible enough to allow nature to flourish.

What the teacher did was wrong, he abused the trust put on him by us all and he deserves to be sacked and never be allowed to teach again, thats a call we make against nature as a people governed by law.

Love is an emotive thing, should a person go jail for love? I always personally thougth people should go to jail for hate.

Its difficult as you all so passionatly argue, those with children, those who chose liberty and i dont have kids, im close very close to my nieces and they can talk to me on any subject they wish. They know this and do and sometimes it shocks me i tell you. All i can do is support them and give them my unconditonal love and support.

why don't you try justifying what this person did, and all this love stuff, to the woman he married barely a year ago, the woman he went on honeymoon trips with at around the same time he was seeing this teenager behind her back.
Was the relationship with his wife not based on love? The wife (or soon to be ex) certainly thought so, given the amount of pics she posted on her profile about her 'fairy-tale' honeymoon and wedding..

 

[SWP's back]

Come the Easter break she will be shagging some spotty 6th former and he will be waiting to be shagged by some inmate.

haha bang on

Ah the brains trust is here.