Mohammed Kudus

Plain Speaking said:
I was suggesting we buy Kudus last summer, (although I did spell his name as Kudos!), he had better underlying stats than Paqueta and Doku. He was available for less than Doku but West Ham will want more now.

Kudus has a much better end product than Doku.
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while Kodus is the West Ham darling, and their only real option, take a good look at Newcastle's previous darling Allan Saint-Maximin, it is relative to expectation. Doku is by far the better, but he has to fit in with us rather than us with him, the long term Doku has a chance of being a superstar, and i can tell you now i have seen Doku, turn in some worldies before he came to us, were as Kudos will always flatter to deceive, he simply does not need to do more.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
while Kodus is the West Ham darling, and their only real option, take a good look at Newcastle's previous darling Allan Saint-Maximin, it is relative to expectation. Doku is by far the better, but he has to fit in with us rather than us with him, the long term Doku has a chance of being a superstar, and i can tell you now i have seen Doku, turn in some worldies before he came to us, were as Kudos will always flatter to deceive, he simply does not need to do more.
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I have seen both Kudus and Doku, personally I have been more impressed with Kudos.

I like Doku as a character, probably because he's a blue ;-), but he seems lacking with his end product.

Doku was particularly disappointing, losing possession, several times when he started his most recent match against Forest, (the lowest rated City player on BBC), and Pep had to take him off at HT. He's played better coming on as a sub against tired legs.

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Plain Speaking said:
I have seen both Kudus and Doku, personally I have been more impressed with Kudos.

I like Doku as a character, probably because he's a blue ;-), but he seems lacking with his end product.

Doku was particularly disappointing, losing possession, several times when he started his most recent match against Forest, (the lowest rated City player on BBC), and Pep had to take him off at HT. He's played better coming on as a sub against tired legs.

Some stats attached comparing the 2 players.
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Doku has 0 successful dribbles? lmao okay....

Think those stats are compromised
 
Plain Speaking said:
I have seen both Kudus and Doku, personally I have been more impressed with Kudos.

I like Doku as a character, probably because he's a blue ;-), but he seems lacking with his end product.

Doku was particularly disappointing, losing possession, several times when he started his most recent match against Forest, (the lowest rated City player on BBC), and Pep had to take him off at HT. He's played better coming on as a sub against tired legs.

Some stats attached comparing the 2 players.
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Was that Doku`s first start on the right?, i thought he played okay but the system was wrong, and i have watched both before they came to England, try getting Doku`s first game against PSG, one of the best performances by a right winger, almost single handed destroyed PSG. the only other display was Bergwijn vs Germany. Do not know what the stats say as it looks like Doku is the better player, especially as he has not been on the side losing 4 nil, which gives an indication of the higher standards.
 
Stats like this can be misleading. Often when Doku is picking up the ball on the wing he's got no space to run in to because the other team has every man behind the ball and two men marking him. Meanwhile Kudus is picking the ball up in deeper positions with space in behind and a chance to run at just the full back.

Doku has shown he has the ability. Given a bit more time to adapt to peps demands he'll come good. He's got half decent numbers already in the league with 3 goals and 7 assists. Next season I can see him reaching double figures for both
 
Plain Speaking said:
I have seen both Kudus and Doku, personally I have been more impressed with Kudos.

I like Doku as a character, probably because he's a blue ;-), but he seems lacking with his end product.

Doku was particularly disappointing, losing possession, several times when he started his most recent match against Forest, (the lowest rated City player on BBC), and Pep had to take him off at HT. He's played better coming on as a sub against tired legs.

Some stats attached comparing the 2 players.
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Doku didn’t have a good game but the whole team bar 3 defenders were awful. It was a complete one off for us to barely get him the ball in decent positions to attack. It’s true he’s good coming on from the bench but if you look at his most recent starts before that game he’s played well. Good against Newcastle in the cup, even better against Villa(on the right) and superb against Luton.
 
Craig said:
Doku didn’t have a good game but the whole team bar 3 defenders were awful. It was a complete one off for us to barely get him the ball in decent positions to attack. It’s true he’s good coming on from the bench but if you look at his most recent starts before that game he’s played well. Good against Newcastle in the cup, even better against Villa(on the right) and superb against Luton.
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It was the system that didn’t work as Forest surprised us with a back 5.

We didn’t play with wingers from the start against Wolves. Maybe that’ll change against Fulham, but it’d surprise me.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
while Kodus is the West Ham darling, and their only real option, take a good look at Newcastle's previous darling Allan Saint-Maximin, it is relative to expectation. Doku is by far the better, but he has to fit in with us rather than us with him, the long term Doku has a chance of being a superstar, and i can tell you now i have seen Doku, turn in some worldies before he came to us, were as Kudos will always flatter to deceive, he simply does not need to do more.
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To be fair, ASM was always a maverick at Newcastle and one that it was quite obvious was brilliant until a shit final product. He was just Newcastle fans' main source of enjoyment amongst the other players they had.

Kudus is different, he's fantastic. But don't think he'd be one for us. Liverpool written all over him IMO once Salah goes.
 
skillman said:
To be fair, ASM was always a maverick at Newcastle and one that it was quite obvious was brilliant until a shit final product. He was just Newcastle fans' main source of enjoyment amongst the other players they had.

Kudus is different, he's fantastic. But don't think he'd be one for us. Liverpool written all over him IMO once Salah goes.
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liverpool will try to tap up, but the price West Ham paid for him is his standard, and his expected price tag is way too much for them, probably us as well
 
Was chatting with a couple of west ham fans on my train on Saturday afternoon and they weren't really bothered by the idea of Paqueta leaving. They said Kudus was the one the wouldn't want to lose. Obvs different players with different attributes bring different things to different teams, but was interesting to hear nonetheless.
 
Kudus is quality but not for us. We've got Doku already for that wildcard option who is the better prospect, there isn't space or much of a need for a second.

Strikes me as a player who could play higher but will excel at a west ham level like Payet before him or someone like Zaha.
 
Tevez City said:
It makes sense

And they will not regret it

He is a game changer
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Yeah, TBF, Liverpool seem to have done ok with these kinds of signings (i.e. signing from other premier league teams where players are making a step up). Think people raised an eyebrow at the money they paid for Mane and Jota at the time but they were good signings in the end. There's Mac Alister too but I probably wouldn't include him in that bracket as I think most teams thought he'd be a good signing at the time.
 
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