Monopoly for Socialists

[Phil1]

Looks wank. Will stick to Buckeroo and Operation I think.

 

[Damocles]

Let's drop the difference of opinion for a second. Damo, I'm genuinely worried for you right now. Your behaviour's nothing like it used to be. I've been on this forum a lot longer than the opening date of my account suggests and I've never seen you this riled up so frequently. You were always strong-willed and so was I, and we clashed years ago on many occasions because of this, but that was all water under the bridge during different times in our lives. You're a bloke with intelligence and knowledge far beyond my own, yet here you are buying a game of Monopoly to own the libs. And this is after the way you embarrassed yourself quite royally with racist humour in the thread about the podcast hosts being sacked. Racist humour that was quietly and swiftly deleted before too many people saw it.

When I re-joined Bluemoon around this time last year I noticed you'd been on and off the forum for some time and noticed that you hadn't been posting much at all until about two weeks ago. Fair enough, we all want down time. I last had a permanent account on here before Pep took over, I think. I decided to spend quite a lot of time away because I was taking the place far too seriously and getting personally involved with absolute nonsense on here. Now, don't get me wrong, we all get sucked into arguments we'd rather not have and find as many ways as possible to back out of them, but this really isn't you. I remember you having intellectual and reasoned debates with people for pages and pages on a range of subjects until you both reconciled your differences and agreed to disagree.

This could, of course, be a sign that my memory's betraying me, but I thought I'd see if everything was alright.

I do enjoy these condescending faux-concern posts every now and again. It's funny that nobody ever asks me if things are ok if I'm agreeing with their political positions, only when I start disagreeing. A remarkable coincidence and yet somewhat telling about your and others fascistic views on people and their "intelligence".

Let's pick this apart.

I've never seen you this riled up so frequently.

I don't think I've been riled up on Bluemoon for years. Once or twice I've sometimes, at my worst, hit "mildly irritated". Most of the time my main emotion that comes from the politics forum is frustration at how low some of you have fell in critical thinking skills. I'm disappointed in you. I'm disappointed that many of you have abandoned your principles of good faith reasoning to instead become cheerleaders of the left-right cabal. I'm disappointed that you, in some small way, of contributing to not just the downfall of Western humanistic society but also have become the intellectual equivalent of lemonade. I'm disappointed that you've bought not only into outrage culture but also the scientifically wrong yet mainstream social science theory of critical race theory and all of the thought across numerous domains that has stemmed from that. I'm disappointed that your idea now of clever reasoning is painting people like comic book supervillians or superheroes and that most of the political thought process comes down to "is this person on "my side", then they must be right". I'm disappointed that context around issues has now become mute and the entire basis of most people's argument seems to be some rigidly minded semantic drivel where you're not even ATTEMPTING to see both sides of an issue but instead argue now for the sole purpose of feeling morally superior to others. But that's not just Bluemoon and instead the way society has gone over the last decade or so. But as I said in the main part, I'm depressed you exist in your current form rather than angry.

You're a bloke with intelligence and knowledge far beyond my own, yet here you are buying a game of Monopoly to own the libs

And yet here you are inventing my reasoning for something, despite me literally telling you what my reasoning for something is, then using your invented reasoning as a form of criticism. I said I wanted to buy it because I thought it was funny. Your idea of "owning the libs" is a total invention and makes absolutely no sense. My political hero, rather famously on here, is Tony Blair. I'm a left of centre liberal. I just don't tie that around my neck like a noose that determines every possible thought in my head. I enjoy absurdist humour and think the stuff is funny, sue me.

And this is after the way you embarrassed yourself quite royally with racist humour in the thread about the podcast hosts being sacked. Racist humour that was quietly and swiftly deleted before too many people saw it.

Deletion that happened because morons like the outrage merchants can't tell the difference between ironic humour and humour. If Al Murray was on here, you'd want him shot. Oh and this idea that because some words on a screen offend you then those words must immediately go away or suggest some deficit of intelligence or empathy in the other person is straight up stupid. It's a game. A game invented for good reason but now stolen and co-opted by people who couldn't really care about potential outcomes and are now using it as an odd form of censorship. I mean, I don't blame them, it works unfortunately because others are as invested in this whole game as they are. But the only winning move in this game is not to play. So I'm sure people will find some of my comments racist, sexist, ageist, classist, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-anything else you can think of. And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to react however you want. Just as I'm entitled to not care how you react and pay no attention to it in the forming of any future opinions. I don't go in for censorship or speech, ideals or ideas and this is exactly what this little outrage game is primarily used for now. You ultimately want to control my speech.
As I say, I'm not playing. You lot argue amongst yourselves.

When I re-joined Bluemoon around this time last year I noticed you'd been on and off the forum for some time and noticed that you hadn't been posting much at all until about two weeks ago. Fair enough, we all want down time. I last had a permanent account on here before Pep took over, I think. I decided to spend quite a lot of time away because I was taking the place far too seriously and getting personally involved with absolute nonsense on here. Now, don't get me wrong, we all get sucked into arguments we'd rather not have and find as many ways as possible to back out of them, but this really isn't you. I remember you having intellectual and reasoned debates with people for pages and pages on a range of subjects until you both reconciled your differences and agreed to disagree.

Yeah the big difference being that I didn't used to have two kids and now I've got two kids so spend most of my non-social nights parenting rather than talking on a forum.

The other difference between then and now is that because you and many others have fallen down a well of partisanship there's no real point in discussing things because your ideas are boring. They're repetitive, old, and stale. They've got hypocrisies and contradictions in them so wide that they make the Panama Canal look like a puddle, but not only do you fail to address these incredibly basic errors in fundamental building blocks of logic but even worse you get pissed off when others point them out.

Oh you're a left wing democratic socialist who thinks social power structures explains economic inequality and that we need equality of outcome/positive discrimination in order to combat this whilst also defining racism as power + privilege? Or you're a right wing social democrat who thinks PC culture has gone mad, socialism is the bootstrap of communism and that free markets mean that competition creates better quality and the supply/demand chain perfectly explains economic pricing structures?
Well blow me down. You and seven hundred million other people.

When I see people with interesting or well thought out opinions then I tend to engage them but when most of the posts are just people repeating lines they've heard and think might be true because it's what "their side" believes then I've got little interest. Do you even recognise how many people have got a view on the character of Nigel Farage or Jeremy Corbyn and their fitness for PM but literally have never read a manifesto produced by them? The answer isn't 0%. It's not even below 75%.

When that 25% bother to comment then so do I.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I do enjoy these condescending faux-concern posts every now and again. It's funny that nobody ever asks me if things are ok if I'm agreeing with their political positions, only when I start disagreeing. A remarkable coincidence and yet somewhat telling about your and others fascistic views on people and their "intelligence".

Let's pick this apart.



I don't think I've been riled up on Bluemoon for years. Once or twice I've sometimes, at my worst, hit "mildly irritated". Most of the time my main emotion that comes from the politics forum is frustration at how low some of you have fell in critical thinking skills. I'm disappointed in you. I'm disappointed that many of you have abandoned your principles of good faith reasoning to instead become cheerleaders of the left-right cabal. I'm disappointed that you, in some small way, of contributing to not just the downfall of Western humanistic society but also have become the intellectual equivalent of lemonade. I'm disappointed that you've bought not only into outrage culture but also the scientifically wrong yet mainstream social science theory of critical race theory and all of the thought across numerous domains that has stemmed from that. I'm disappointed that your idea now of clever reasoning is painting people like comic book supervillians or superheroes and that most of the political thought process comes down to "is this person on "my side", then they must be right". I'm disappointed that context around issues has now become mute and the entire basis of most people's argument seems to be some rigidly minded semantic drivel where you're not even ATTEMPTING to see both sides of an issue but instead argue now for the sole purpose of feeling morally superior to others. But that's not just Bluemoon and instead the way society has gone over the last decade or so. But as I said in the main part, I'm depressed you exist in your current form rather than angry.



And yet here you are inventing my reasoning for something, despite me literally telling you what my reasoning for something is, then using your invented reasoning as a form of criticism. I said I wanted to buy it because I thought it was funny. Your idea of "owning the libs" is a total invention and makes absolutely no sense. My political hero, rather famously on here, is Tony Blair. I'm a left of centre liberal. I just don't tie that around my neck like a noose that determines every possible thought in my head. I enjoy absurdist humour and think the stuff is funny, sue me.



Deletion that happened because morons like the outrage merchants can't tell the difference between ironic humour and humour. If Al Murray was on here, you'd want him shot. Oh and this idea that because some words on a screen offend you then those words must immediately go away or suggest some deficit of intelligence or empathy in the other person is straight up stupid. It's a game. A game invented for good reason but now stolen and co-opted by people who couldn't really care about potential outcomes and are now using it as an odd form of censorship. I mean, I don't blame them, it works unfortunately because others are as invested in this whole game as they are. But the only winning move in this game is not to play. So I'm sure people will find some of my comments racist, sexist, ageist, classist, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-anything else you can think of. And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to react however you want. Just as I'm entitled to not care how you react and pay no attention to it in the forming of any future opinions. I don't go in for censorship or speech, ideals or ideas and this is exactly what this little outrage game is primarily used for now. You ultimately want to control my speech.
As I say, I'm not playing. You lot argue amongst yourselves.



Yeah the big difference being that I didn't used to have two kids and now I've got two kids so spend most of my non-social nights parenting rather than talking on a forum.

The other difference between then and now is that because you and many others have fallen down a well of partisanship there's no real point in discussing things because your ideas are boring. They're repetitive, old, and stale. They've got hypocrisies and contradictions in them so wide that they make the Panama Canal look like a puddle, but not only do you fail to address these incredibly basic errors in fundamental building blocks of logic but even worse you get pissed off when others point them out.

Oh you're a left wing democratic socialist who thinks social power structures explains economic inequality and that we need equality of outcome/positive discrimination in order to combat this whilst also defining racism as power + privilege? Or you're a right wing social democrat who thinks PC culture has gone mad, socialism is the bootstrap of communism and that free markets mean that competition creates better quality and the supply/demand chain perfectly explains economic pricing structures?
Well blow me down. You and seven hundred million other people.

When I see people with interesting or well thought out opinions then I tend to engage them but when most of the posts are just people repeating lines they've heard and think might be true because it's what "their side" believes then I've got little interest. Do you even recognise how many people have got a view on the character of Nigel Farage or Jeremy Corbyn and their fitness for PM but literally have never read a manifesto produced by them? The answer isn't 0%. It's not even below 75%.

When that 25% bother to comment then so do I.

Nope,i'm still concerned.....

 

[Damocles]

Nope,i'm still concerned.....

Despite holding almost exactly the same political positions as I did 10 years ago, my ability to think partisan pointscoring is ridiculous and the fact that I'm not spending every day on here is actually very concerning to people. The ones who disagree with me now I'm not on "their side" any more. But they're super concerned really.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Despite holding almost exactly the same political positions as I did 10 years ago, my ability to think partisan pointscoring is ridiculous and the fact that I'm not spending every day on here is actually very concerning to people. The ones who disagree with me now I'm not on "their side" any more. But they're super concerned really.

Indeed,the cheap/snide/hidden dig was very apparent - it's their go to M.O.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's all shits and giggles until your wife cuts your dick off and throws it out the window of a speeding car.

That reminds me of Loreena Bobbit, the Yank who cut off her husbands dick.
She ran to her car with it, drove down the freeway, and threw it out of the window.
It hit the windscreen of the following car, being driven by an Irishman and his mate.

''Jaysus Pat, did you see the dick on that fly!''

 

[journolud]

Looks wank. Will stick to Buckeroo and Operation I think.

Have you tried Tory operation? You have to wait months for your turn and then it gets cancelled. Will be better when the Americans own it though.

 

[Damocles]

Indeed,the cheap/snide/hidden dig was very apparent - it's their go to M.O.

And while I'm ranting anyway, this part of political discussion now is offensive and incredibly authoritarian. Think about the implications of what this is.

"You do not conform to my standards so I believe there is something morally or intellectually wrong with you".

To normal people that's a terrifying conclusion. To many in their partisan ships, it's the basis of their entire political thought.

Let's not even get started on the rank stupidity of "I'm going to use authoritarian tactics in order to stop authoritarianism" and the teabag level logical backwardsness of that. It's a joke. A "we must invade this country to defend ourselves" level joke.

 

[7evens]

I do enjoy these condescending faux-concern posts every now and again. It's funny that nobody ever asks me if things are ok if I'm agreeing with their political positions, only when I start disagreeing. A remarkable coincidence and yet somewhat telling about your and others fascistic views on people and their "intelligence".

Let's pick this apart.

I don't think I've been riled up on Bluemoon for years. Once or twice I've sometimes, at my worst, hit "mildly irritated". Most of the time my main emotion that comes from the politics forum is frustration at how low some of you have fell in critical thinking skills. I'm disappointed in you. I'm disappointed that many of you have abandoned your principles of good faith reasoning to instead become cheerleaders of the left-right cabal. I'm disappointed that you, in some small way, of contributing to not just the downfall of Western humanistic society but also have become the intellectual equivalent of lemonade. I'm disappointed that you've bought not only into outrage culture but also the scientifically wrong yet mainstream social science theory of critical race theory and all of the thought across numerous domains that has stemmed from that. I'm disappointed that your idea now of clever reasoning is painting people like comic book supervillians or superheroes and that most of the political thought process comes down to "is this person on "my side", then they must be right". I'm disappointed that context around issues has now become mute and the entire basis of most people's argument seems to be some rigidly minded semantic drivel where you're not even ATTEMPTING to see both sides of an issue but instead argue now for the sole purpose of feeling morally superior to others. But that's not just Bluemoon and instead the way society has gone over the last decade or so. But as I said in the main part, I'm depressed you exist in your current form rather than angry.

And yet here you are inventing my reasoning for something, despite me literally telling you what my reasoning for something is, then using your invented reasoning as a form of criticism. I said I wanted to buy it because I thought it was funny. Your idea of "owning the libs" is a total invention and makes absolutely no sense. My political hero, rather famously on here, is Tony Blair. I'm a left of centre liberal. I just don't tie that around my neck like a noose that determines every possible thought in my head. I enjoy absurdist humour and think the stuff is funny, sue me.

Deletion that happened because morons like the outrage merchants can't tell the difference between ironic humour and humour. If Al Murray was on here, you'd want him shot. Oh and this idea that because some words on a screen offend you then those words must immediately go away or suggest some deficit of intelligence or empathy in the other person is straight up stupid. It's a game. A game invented for good reason but now stolen and co-opted by people who couldn't really care about potential outcomes and are now using it as an odd form of censorship. I mean, I don't blame them, it works unfortunately because others are as invested in this whole game as they are. But the only winning move in this game is not to play. So I'm sure people will find some of my comments racist, sexist, ageist, classist, anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-anything else you can think of. And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to react however you want. Just as I'm entitled to not care how you react and pay no attention to it in the forming of any future opinions. I don't go in for censorship or speech, ideals or ideas and this is exactly what this little outrage game is primarily used for now. You ultimately want to control my speech.
As I say, I'm not playing. You lot argue amongst yourselves.

Yeah the big difference being that I didn't used to have two kids and now I've got two kids so spend most of my non-social nights parenting rather than talking on a forum.

The other difference between then and now is that because you and many others have fallen down a well of partisanship there's no real point in discussing things because your ideas are boring. They're repetitive, old, and stale. They've got hypocrisies and contradictions in them so wide that they make the Panama Canal look like a puddle, but not only do you fail to address these incredibly basic errors in fundamental building blocks of logic but even worse you get pissed off when others point them out.

Oh you're a left wing democratic socialist who thinks social power structures explains economic inequality and that we need equality of outcome/positive discrimination in order to combat this whilst also defining racism as power + privilege? Or you're a right wing social democrat who thinks PC culture has gone mad, socialism is the bootstrap of communism and that free markets mean that competition creates better quality and the supply/demand chain perfectly explains economic pricing structures?
Well blow me down. You and seven hundred million other people.

When I see people with interesting or well thought out opinions then I tend to engage them but when most of the posts are just people repeating lines they've heard and think might be true because it's what "their side" believes then I've got little interest. Do you even recognise how many people have got a view on the character of Nigel Farage or Jeremy Corbyn and their fitness for PM but literally have never read a manifesto produced by them? The answer isn't 0%. It's not even below 75%.

When that 25% bother to comment then so do I.

I think you misunderstood me when I said I wanted to put any disagreements to the side for the moment just so I could ask how you are. Like I said, we've disagreed on many occasions in the past, and our debates stretch back years (we're talking a decade, almost), but I've never been concerned about you before like I am at the moment. I think you're taking this - and a few other subjects - far more seriously and personally than you ever have previously, and I have no idea why you've come to the conclusion that a couple of people disagreeing with you means we're part of some "left-right" cabal. I don't think I've said anything to suggest that I am. All this stuff about "outrage culture" that you've accused me of buying into, I'm not really that much of a fan of it either, if only because we move on to the next thing to be outraged by within 24 hours. Again, I must stress that my disagreement with you over this has nothing to do with my concern for your health. In fact, I seem to recall the last time we had a disagreement, which was about the podcasts hosts being sacked, I tried to have a reasoned debate with you but you replied with angry strawman arguments and ultimately ignored me. That's not what you used to do at all.

All this:

I'm disappointed that many of you have abandoned your principles of good faith reasoning to instead become cheerleaders of the left-right cabal. I'm disappointed that you, in some small way, of contributing to not just the downfall of Western humanistic society but also have become the intellectual equivalent of lemonade. I'm disappointed that you've bought not only into outrage culture but also the scientifically wrong yet mainstream social science theory of critical race theory and all of the thought across numerous domains that has stemmed from that. I'm disappointed that your idea now of clever reasoning is painting people like comic book supervillians or superheroes and that most of the political thought process comes down to "is this person on "my side", then they must be right".

You've made this person up in your head. This isn't me, this person doesn't exist, and they're certainly not in this thread accusing you of anything.

Honestly, mate, your post here is a rant. It raises points that haven't even come close to being discussed in this thread. Nobody in this thread has mentioned Corbyn, or Farage, or anything of the sort, have they? A couple of people have said they don't find it funny and are wondering why you do, a couple of people have rolled their eyes at you, and I've asked if everything's alright because your reaction to being challenged nowadays is to reply in the manner that you, once again, have done here. Correct me if I've missed anything.

 

[idahoblues]

The Estrogen levels are particularly high in Blighty today