More student protests

[Fame Monster]

Perhaps you ought to read and think about the quote you have posted and try and understand the true meaning.

Just to give you a clue, what you have failed to realize is that a university education IS obtained with money, be it the student's money or the taxpayer's and therefore, according to Socrates himself, is worse than no education at all.

And as you have attributed the quote to John Socrates, it's quite clear what kind of education you have in mind (do a Google search on the name and you'll see what I mean).

The inclusion of 'John' was what these people know as Clarkie bait. If i'm able to quote him word for word, don't you think I might be able to take a guess at his name? And as you have obviously looked it up on google, it seems it's got the response I hoped for. Some might say you was my little online woman for taking the bait. Not me, though.

As for the meaning of the quote, it's pretty clear to me. Education should be free and not for profit. As earlier discussed in the thread, students already pay far more than the actual cost of the degree at £3K a year. That money should cover the cost of a tutor, which, when contextualising John's quote, I doubt that tutors were demanding the sort of money back then as they do today. This allows for the universities to make a lot of money with the top boys there on £350K a year.

And for all those moaning about the taxpayer footing the bill, the taxpayer lends the money to the university until the students pay it off a few years later. Of course, some students don't pay back the money, so not all is repaid. Considering this, it strikes me as an oddity that taxpayers would support the rise when more of their money is going to go be borrowed.

I must be honest. I'm beginning to think that some people on this thread don't like students.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

As I've said before,if the system had'nt been reformed in the 1990's we would not be facing these problems. Exacerbated by Blairs ludicrous insistence that 50% of schooleavers should go to Uni., We now have thousands of kids, thinking University is the only place to be. If the brightest and best, from whatever background; to pacify some Toytown Trots on here, were selected, we could pay them a grant, which is what used to happen, before Blair and his ilk decided this was not 'Inclusive' enough.
Witnessing some of these kids on the telly recently has been laughable. 37 year old 'Students', studying 'Politics,' or 'Media Studies', rousing giggling, made-up-to-the- nines middle class, daddy sponging young tarts has not helped their so called cause one bit. What is really sad about all this is bright kids from poor backgrounds are being tagged as lefty lunatics, whereas, if they look at the broader picture, they don't have to pay anything at all until they earn £21000 or so, this on a sliding scale, I believe.
They will have to accept this; the Govt will, i think not back down. Some things, not all, were better years ago.

'Toytown Trots' - I love it.
Seems the Daily Mail Bumper Christmas Edition Of Hackneyed Right Wing Cliches For The Hard-Of-Thinking is out early this year.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

As I've said before,if the system had'nt been reformed in the 1990's we would not be facing these problems. Exacerbated by Blairs ludicrous insistence that 50% of schooleavers should go to Uni., We now have thousands of kids, thinking University is the only place to be. If the brightest and best, from whatever background; to pacify some Toytown Trots on here, were selected, we could pay them a grant, which is what used to happen, before Blair and his ilk decided this was not 'Inclusive' enough.
Witnessing some of these kids on the telly recently has been laughable. 37 year old 'Students', studying 'Politics,' or 'Media Studies', rousing giggling, made-up-to-the- nines middle class, daddy sponging young tarts has not helped their so called cause one bit. What is really sad about all this is bright kids from poor backgrounds are being tagged as lefty lunatics, whereas, if they look at the broader picture, they don't have to pay anything at all until they earn £21000 or so, this on a sliding scale, I believe.
They will have to accept this; the Govt will, i think not back down. Some things, not all, were better years ago.

'Toytown Trots' - I love it.
Seems the Daily Mail Bumper Christmas Edition Of Hackneyed Right Wing Cliches For The Hard-Of-Thinking is out early this year.

Glad you love it. Seems like you've recognised something that struck a nerve.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

'Toytown Trots' - I love it.
Seems the Daily Mail Bumper Christmas Edition Of Hackneyed Right Wing Cliches For The Hard-Of-Thinking is out early this year.

Glad you love it. Seems like you've recognised something that struck a nerve.

Not so much 'struck a nerve',more amused at yet another tired old fart ranting predictable nonsense in futility to a world that doesn't care, in soundbites he picked up from some columnist in Britain's leading tabloid fearmongering shit sheet.
But don't worry - i'm on the Loony Left,which is probably on page 43.
How much easier life must be when you can get all your opinions in newspaper form, without recourse to the tiresome chore of actually having to think and formulate your own.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Glad you love it. Seems like you've recognised something that struck a nerve.

Not so much 'struck a nerve',more amused at yet another tired old fart ranting predictable nonsense in futility to a world that doesn't care, in soundbites he picked up from some columnist in Britain's leading tabloid fearmongering shit sheet.
But don't worry - i'm on the Loony Left,which is probably on page 43.
How much easier life must be when you can get all your opinions in newspaper form, without recourse to the tiresome chore of actually having to think and formulate your own.

You must read this 'Daily Mail' an awful lot.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Not so much 'struck a nerve',more amused at yet another tired old fart ranting predictable nonsense in futility to a world that doesn't care, in soundbites he picked up from some columnist in Britain's leading tabloid fearmongering shit sheet.
But don't worry - i'm on the Loony Left,which is probably on page 43.
How much easier life must be when you can get all your opinions in newspaper form, without recourse to the tiresome chore of actually having to think and formulate your own.

You must read this 'Daily Mail' an awful lot.

...only when I wish to experience how it would feel to undergo a full frontal lobotomy,then catch up on who I should hate this week,after the anaesthetic has worn off.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You must read this 'Daily Mail' an awful lot.

...only when I wish to experience how it would feel to undergo a full frontal lobotomy,then catch up on who I should hate this week,after the anaesthetic has worn off.

Nothing wrong with a bit of self loathing. Think I got that from a casual glance at the Telegraph.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Rail users to stage protest at Clapham Junction angered by fare rises. Understandable really I mean why should they pay for the privilege of going to work. Surely free travel for all is the only way forward.

 

[Halfpenny]

As I've said before,if the system had'nt been reformed in the 1990's we would not be facing these problems. Exacerbated by Blairs ludicrous insistence that 50% of schooleavers should go to Uni., We now have thousands of kids, thinking University is the only place to be. If the brightest and best, from whatever background; to pacify some Toytown Trots on here, were selected, we could pay them a grant, which is what used to happen, before Blair and his ilk decided this was not 'Inclusive' enough.
Witnessing some of these kids on the telly recently has been laughable. 37 year old 'Students', studying 'Politics,' or 'Media Studies', rousing giggling, made-up-to-the- nines middle class, daddy sponging young tarts has not helped their so called cause one bit. What is really sad about all this is bright kids from poor backgrounds are being tagged as lefty lunatics, whereas, if they look at the broader picture, they don't have to pay anything at all until they earn £21000 or so, this on a sliding scale, I believe.
They will have to accept this; the Govt will, i think not back down. Some things, not all, were better years ago.

I can't believe you're putting politics in the same bracket as media studies. As soon as I read that I stopped reading your post.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

You must read this 'Daily Mail' an awful lot.

...only when I wish to experience how it would feel to undergo a full frontal lobotomy,then catch up on who I should hate this week,after the anaesthetic has worn off.

If it helps it'll be one (or more) from this list...

Blacks
Muslims
Anyone under 35
Gays
Lesbians
Children
The working class
The poor
The needy
Foreigners
Women