More than half of Brits want burka ban

Citizen in Pakistan said:
There is so much irony in this one.
Those who advocate the ban say women should be allowed to wear what they desire but when it comes to niqab the rules somehow change.
Whenever something concerning islam pops up in the media all of a Sudden there are experts on islam who frankly havent studied but still think they know it inside out from intellect gathered from social media and corporate media in gernal.

Another great misconception is that women who choose to wear it are bring forced to wear it somehow, i am not gonna deny that doesnt happen but even if i am gracious the percentage would be less than 5% easily, i can say this because i live in muslim family and have been brought up in a muslim society.
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the burning question is

have you ever put one on and snuck into a ladies changing room :) ????
 
2sheikhs said:
None of the apologists seem to want to answer my question either.
Where should a woman go who objects to being forced to wear it?


I'll wait.
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Hi 2Sheiks, presumably the same place anyone else would go if they felt someone was forcing them to wear anything they didn't want to?
Whomever that was, a judgement on whether the proclaimed 'forcing' was contrary to any UK/EU/international laws would be made and if so, the relevant measures would be enfor ed upon the defendant(s). If the body found no illegal forcing had happened, then presumably it would be up to the person to de ide if they wanted to accept the situation or possibly exercise their option to change their own situation by, e.g. leaving the employ/community which they felt at odds with their personal views.
The fact that this community be religious should make no difference - people have a choice about what to believe and what cultural norms to adopt. They also have a choice (whether they understand this or not) to change their outlook should they decide to.
 
And all those girls that don't get an education or the opportunity to get one don't really want one anyway. I believe one girl was shot in the head for trying to exercise this basic right. Can't remember where it happened though.
 
Many find the burka offensive in the western world. In many middle eastern countries women's western dress sense will be offensive and should not be worn over there out of respect and the countries laws. I'm uneasy at the thought of banning the burka but i also hate what it represents to my western eyes at least, the inequality of women in the Muslim world. The labeling of views as racist is just an easy way to try and silence them and sadly is what leads to things like brexit and Trump. I voted remain and would never vote ukip (or if American Trump) but if we had a referendum on the burka i would seriously have to think about it and while i think i would vote no in the end am i an instant racist if i voted yes? of course not but unless the large % of the population who are offended are listened to without being accused of racism then more and more will sadly lash out by voting for twats like Farage and his ilk.
 
So in other words, a woman who didn't want to wear it should go to the police.
If she stayed in the home and he was told to leave, she'd be ostracised by her community. She'd otherwise have to leave the family home. A rock and a hard place. They're forced to accept that this is the way things are. Like it or lump it .
 
What is it about, largely brown skinned people wearing clothes they deem appropriate to their culture that provokes you?[/QUOTE]

Because it symbolises a Stone Age culture and makes zero concession to integration.

Like if I walked down Lahore High St in string vest, Union Jack shorts, swilling lager and scoffing a bacon butty. But then I'd have you to defend me against the braying mob so everything would be cool.
 
Here's one, when my wife is out shopping with me, she has to cover her knees, shoulders and elbows.

Why are no Muslims speaking up for her rights to wear what she wants in Qatar?

Also why I'd never want them banning, it is a little bit patronising that the Muslim men thing I'll try and shag their wife or daughter if I actually see their faces.
 
SWP's back said:
Here's one, when my wife is out shopping with me, she has to cover her knees, shoulders and elbows.

Why are no Muslims speaking up for her rights to wear what she wants in Qatar?

Also why I'd never want them banning, it is a little bit patronising that the Muslim men thing I'll try and shag their wife or daughter if I actually see their faces.
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If I were caught shopping with my missus I’d want to be wearing the biggest fucking burka ever made.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
If I can't see someone face I simply will not talk to them.
It's an absolutely fundamental part of social interaction in the west. If people want to excluded themselves from society then they should choose somewhere less social to live.

Simples.
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Who say's they want to talk to you?
 
Come on, let's have a BM vote on it. If vote for a ban, but only because I know it would wind people up.

On a side note, I don't think you see as many now. A few years back there seemed to be loads of women knocking around in them, but I certainly don't see as many nowadays. Maybe some Muslim women are just saying 'no' to them?
 
Viridian said:
If it really is about not being able to see peoples' faces then I guess we should look at banning:

- Long hair on windy days (who could it be under that hair?)
- Full fringes
- Face tattoos (who could it be under all those tattoos?)
- Big sunglasses (we can't see their eyes, how do we know what they're thinking?)
- Baseball caps
- Snoods in the winter (we can't see their mouths, what sort of terrorist attack could they be plotting?)
- Tinted windows on cars (we can't see anyone driving, it could be empty!)
- Army blokes with camouflage face paint
- Children's face painting at the beach

It's fuck all to do with obscuring the persons' face for you. You just see it as a scary black sheet from another country that looks a bit weird and a bit different so your natural reaction is to want its removal. I think that's sad and pathetic but the sooner you admit that to yourself, the sooner you can stop publicly tying yourself in knots and potentially outing yourself as a massive racist.
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Not sure where to start with this nonsense. First off, I don't think I've tied myself in knots at all. This thread is about a garment that totally obscures the face not about any items of clothing. As I've previously said, I don't support it being banned as I believe more in freedom of choice than to pandering to people who object to things. That said, I don't particularly like them as they are anti-social.
Moving on to your ridiculous accusation of racism, I thought we'd established Islam isn't a race, not all Muslims are brown and the wearing of the burka is not a religious requirement, it's a cultural thing brought in from some parts of the Muslim world. So no, I'm not a racist and I don't support banning burkas. It doesn't mean I have to like them though.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Not wishing to insult or belittle you Joe, just explore a point of view.

My question here would be 'is it against the law to show disrespect to someone via passive means? (Not talking about directly aimed inflammatory remarks deliberately intended to stir hatred).

For me, if this could be classified in any way at all as a form of disrespect, it would be a much, much milder one than any direct attack, and this factor (even if intentional - which I'm sure in most cases it's not) - puts it so far into the realm of moot that given our current socio-cultural outlook as a nation, it could never stand a chance of being legally banned with the exception of very specific circumstances (in the same way that my public right of way is generally an accepted norm except in certain situations, e.g. when the police need me to move.)
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doesn't need to be made law. Just needs people to be brought up properly and show a modicum of common decency and respect when speaking with people.
 
west didsblue said:
Not sure where to start with this nonsense. First off, I don't think I've tied myself in knots at all. This thread is about a garment that totally obscures the face not about any items of clothing. As I've previously said, I don't support it being banned as I believe more in freedom of choice than to pandering to people who object to things. That said, I don't particularly like them as they are anti-social.
Moving on to your ridiculous accusation of racism, I thought we'd established Islam isn't a race, not all Muslims are brown and the wearing of the burka is not a religious requirement, it's a cultural thing brought in from some parts of the Muslim world. So no, I'm not a racist and I don't support banning burkas. It doesn't mean I have to like them though.
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Quite. Are Muslim's racist when they don't like people showing their hair, knees, elbows and shoulders?

Of course they aren't.

But remember you're speaking to someone with all the life experience of a slightly off tin of condensed milk and also remember it's very cool to be lefty and throw the racism term around.

It would be a crying shame if the UK banned the Burqa. The U.K. Is accepting of other customs and cultures and that separates it and elevates from a huge number of countries. But I am not surprised many would back the ban as a burqa is antisocial. It's intended to be for a reason. It is off putting when you have to talk to someone and see just their eyes or nothing (when accompanied by a full veil). But for me that's nothing to do with Islam, it would be the same talking to someone in a balaclava or full motorcycle helmet.
 
The blue phantom said:
This coming from the arsewipe who wanted the girl who raised tens of thousands for a cancer charity to die.

Your one of the biggest nastiest worthless people on any social media site.
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JoeMercer'sWay said:
no I didn't. Liar. Apologise.
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2sheikhs said:
So in other words, a woman who didn't want to wear it should go to the police.
If she stayed in the home and he was told to leave, she'd be ostracised by her community. She'd otherwise have to leave the family home. A rock and a hard place. They're forced to accept that this is the way things are. Like it or lump it .
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Yes, she would be. But if the Burka/niqab was banned she may be condemed to a life where she is confined to the house for the rest of her days. There is a saying - hard case makes bad law - you cannot legislate your way out of a difficult situation. THe answer is education and a open society that actively works to be inclusive, and find common ground with all who are willing to live peacefully.
 
The bottom line is that discrimination by gender, colour, sexuality etc is plain WRONG.
To try and excuse it by pretending or claiming that women aren't coerced, threatened or intimidated is pure head in the sand. Most countries throughout the world have a patriarchal society. Some just take it to extremes. To facilitate and minimise it does a huge disservice to those on the receiving end of it.
 
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