More than half of Brits want burka ban

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I'm unsure how accurate this image i found is but this is somehow what needs more establishing in terms of enforcing a ban.

I have no issues whatsoever with anybody walking on this planet wearing what's reflected as a Chador/Hijab in the above image.
I feel %100 comfortable with this.
In fact I'll be going to my local gym in a bit which is located next to a Mosque and often see women in there wearing Hijabs/Chadors.

However the Burqa and Niqab I take exception to.
It makes me feel uncomfortable as I'm unable to identify the person approaching me, which could be anybody.

If you work in Security (as I do) you'll empathise with my insecurities regarding the Burqa/Niqab.

I'm stood on the door tonight, a few thousand kids all partying in the venue, pissed and coked up, May I add all from multiple ethnicities, and wearing a full black Burqa (which is hard to see at night) someone sneaks in to the club (possibly through a fire exit opened up by an accomplice) and start shooting up the young people in our communities.

Sure this scenario can be done without the Burqa but I'm pretty confident people walking through the town centre holding an ak47 and loads of ammo would be seen instantly whereas if they had a burqa hiding their contents... We'll it's a shirty possibility and it's already happened in the nightlife of Paris.... And the Security staff didn't see that shit coming :(

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Kris_Musampa said:
And there, captured in 18 words, is the excuse for all the appalling acts of cruelty undertaken by man on fellow man, in the name of a God and religion.
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Proper understanding of religion wouldn't allow for cruelty on fellow men. But, that's a different discussion.
 
Why Always Ste said:
However the Burqa and Niqab I take exception to.
It makes me feel uncomfortable as I'm unable to identify the person approaching me, which could be anybody.
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I personally don't feel an issue with banning face veils out of security concerns. Neither is face veil mandated (as per my understanding) in Islam
 
Even though SOME women wear the Burka out of choice, ultimately it is not a choice and failure to do so will result in severe consequences for the women involved. It's funny how men are not required to do the same

This is oppression pure and simple

When the suffragette movement was happening some women actually opposed their own right to vote to put it into context.

The Burka has no place in civilized society...yet another example of the backward principles of Islam
 
It's not fair to tar everyone with the same brush. Decisions should be made based on some pre-agreed scale of attractiveness.
 
vmsuhail said:
I personally don't feel an issue with banning face veils out of security concerns. Neither is face veil mandated (as per my understanding) in Islam
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I spent a week in Ankara on business and didn't see a single burka and very few head scarves. The first burkas I saw on that trip were in the departure lounge at the airport waiting for a flight back to Manchester. From that unscientific evidence I would assume that the burka is a cultural thing not a religious thing. I've been told by my Pakistani neighbour that he sees more burkas in the Trafford Centre than in an equivalent mall when he visits his family in Pakistan. To me the burka appears to be a symbol of intolerance of western values, whereas banning it would go against those same values.
 
vmsuhail said:
I personally don't feel an issue with banning face veils out of security concerns. Neither is face veil mandated (as per my understanding) in Islam
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I'm being rather presumptuous here but I can gather from your post that you either don't work in Security and or when you are out in public places such as the Etihad Stadium (which I've also worked at) you have no regard for your own personal safety and the safety of others.

If a guy hopped off his kwaki in front of the club wearing his helmet and proceeded to enter I'd ask him to remove his helmet.
Why? To identify the individual.
For all I know he could be either underage and or previously barred, or drunk.

This issue needs to be taken away from the religious/racial debate and assessed as a security risk.

I could buy myself a Burqa right now off ebay, and run into the Santander branch which my partner works at and Rob that place....

She wouldn't have a clue that was her fella holding the meat cleaver at her throat.

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In this era of terrorism then everyone should have their faces uncovered regardless of religion...wearing hoodies and having scarves covering the face should be banned too.
Living in Tameside I often see muslim females wearing full face coverings and you can't even see their eyes...this too me is over the top....but I'm sure many will disagree but that's the beauty of living in a country with freedom of speech.
 
Why Always Ste said:
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I'm unsure how accurate this image i found is but this is somehow what needs more establishing in terms of enforcing a ban.

I have no issues whatsoever with anybody walking on this planet wearing what's reflected as a Chador/Hijab in the above image.
I feel %100 comfortable with this.
In fact I'll be going to my local gym in a bit which is located next to a Mosque and often see women in there wearing Hijabs/Chadors.

However the Burqa and Niqab I take exception to.
It makes me feel uncomfortable as I'm unable to identify the person approaching me, which could be anybody.

If you work in Security (as I do) you'll empathise with my insecurities regarding the Burqa/Niqab.

I'm stood on the door tonight, a few thousand kids all partying in the venue, pissed and coked up, May I add all from multiple ethnicities, and wearing a full black Burqa (which is hard to see at night) someone sneaks in to the club (possibly through a fire exit opened up by an accomplice) and start shooting up the young people in our communities.

Sure this scenario can be done without the Burqa but I'm pretty confident people walking through the town centre holding an ak47 and loads of ammo would be seen instantly whereas if they had a burqa hiding their contents... We'll it's a shirty possibility and it's already happened in the nightlife of Paris.... And the Security staff didn't see that shit coming :(

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I assume for the reasons you state that you are fully against any and all forms of fancy dress parties in your venue then? Not to mention motorcycle helmets?

Or is it only brown people who you object to covering their bodies?
 
Should we ban trench coats? You can hide an ak47 under one of those.
Ban cargo pants? You can hide a pistol in the pockets
Ban suits? Tony Blair words a suit and he killed millions.
Ban Lorries? The ripper drove a lorry and he was a serial killer

There is a thinly veiled (no pun intended) undercurrent of racism on this thread and it is disgusting.
If Jews or Christians wore the burka this discussion would not be taking place.
 
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I assume for the reasons you state that you are fully against any and all forms of fancy dress parties in your venue then? Not to mention motorcycle helmets?

Or is it only brown people who you object to covering their bodies?
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Nope, they are asked to reveal their identities before entering.
Also, if they refuse a body search they are refused entry.

If they refuse to reveal their identity they are also refused entry.

The skin colour is irrelevant for me as I have refused entry to various people from all walks of life. at one venue tonight I'll be working at of the 12 lads I work with as part of security, there's a Colombian lad, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian and a Slovakian... Believe me we don't Base refusal of entry on race/religion.

May I ask, do you have a son/daughter?

This venue is packed tonight full of 18/25yr olds and their safety is paramount.

Any form of hidden identity is a security risk and this is my reasons for a ban on Burqas (specifically, excluding Chadors)

To note guys... We always ask anybody to remove baseball caps, hoodies and hats before entering. [emoji3]
 
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Why Always Ste said:
Nope, they are asked to reveal their identities before entering.
Also, if they refuse a body search they are refused entry.

If they refuse to reveal their identity they are also refused entry.

The skin colour is irrelevant for me as I have refused entry to various people from all walks of life. at one venue tonight I'll be working at of the 12 lads I work with as part of security, there's a Colombian lad, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian and a Slovakian... Believe me we don't Base refusal of entry on race/religion.

May I ask, do you have a son/daughter?

This venue is packed tonight full of 18/25yr olds and their safety is paramount.

Any form of hidden identity is a security risk and this is my reasons for a ban on Burqas (specifically, excluding Chadors)

To note guys... We always ask anybody to remove baseball caps, hoodies and hats before entering. [emoji3]

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fair enough but just one point.

When those favouring a blanket burka ban for security concerns also start to propose a blanket ban on fancy dress/long coats/any item of clothing with a pocket/headscarves/turbans/skull caps/crash helmets except when actually riding a motorcycle/any and all forms of baggy clothing/scarves/gloves (them pesky terrorists can use gloves to hide fingerprints) I will listen to them (and still disagree).

Until then, selective banning of clothing is racism. Pure and simple.
 
Muslim women in the middle-east also hate the Burqa, don't assume all of them want to wear it or in fact do wear it. Burqa wearers are in the minority.

Anyone who doesn't see it's a symbol of oppression is an idiot. It discriminates against half of the human race.

Banning it is a tricky one as I'm all for a right to wear what you want. I can see two sides to the argument.
 
Eh? How is it Racism fella when anyone could wear a Burqa, could be a white chick wearing one for all I know lol...

Its paranoia to the extreme, no doubt and I do fear the chav white footy hooligan types who are coked up off their faces... More so than anyone wearing a Burqa.

It's just added vulnerabilities and for me Islamic women would look far more dignified and I would respect their cultures far more if their women wore the Chadors more... which simply show their faces rather than the Ninja Suits.
 
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