Morning after the night before

[Numptyed]

Rather than just slagging everthing to do with City you have to respect Liverpools performance last night. I honestly think they would of beaten anybody playing as they did last night, they defended impeccably and attacked with agresion and intensity.
To say they had 3 or 4 of there best 11 out says a lot about the way the press have had them finished as a top club.

I thought Joe hart could of done better for the first and we had 2 or 3 chances to clear the ball before the second, the 3rd was a joke TBH Kolarov will get the blame but i dont think anybody would expect him to win an aerial battle with Carroll so why was he left on his own with him?

Bobby got everything wrong last night, team selection, formation and substitutions. he was trying to be cleaver but it seems only baconface gets shit like that right. I dont understand why NDJ was on the bench the booking totting up finished on Sunday and on a narrow pitch like Liverpools he is pretty much made for that game.

I'm pissed off like the rest of you and not very confident for Saturday infact am clinging on to a self deluded thought that the Tevez injurywas a fantastic plan to con baconface into thinking he is out of the semi!

Come on City!

 

[Pigeonho]

Yes and playing shit with Spurs level on points if they win their game in hand. 4th in the league is shit anyway with this squad, or most of this squad anyway. I reckon with the personnel at his disposal, Hughes would be doing better than this fucker we have in 'charge' at the minute. I reckon the squad looked at the starting line up and those who were dropped let it known they were pissed off, then those on the pitch let it known they were pissed off too, pissed off Gareth fucking Barry was on the pitch. Barton had everythin spot on last week when he said what he said.

Hughes wasn't good enough mate, get over it. IMO he wouldn't have us above 4th, we've been through all this our squad shouldn't settle for 4th etc, maybe not but it's not easy to just sign a load of players and expect them to finish above teams who have been established in the top four and have been building a squad of top players for much longer than us

At the end of the day we are 4th, even if Spurs win their game in hand we will be 4th. Whats most important at the end of the season is that we remain in 4th, as it stands we have a slight advantage, if we get 4th this season then Mancini will have done a good job, not a great one, not an excellent one but a good job in his first full season, if we don't then he'll have failed. You don't have your team 4th in the league with 6 games to go if you don't have a clue, if you are clueless as many have suggested on here over the past 12 hours

No, with the personnel at hand and the outlay spent, you have them 3rd, and a comfortable 3rd at that. He is clueless too, because why the fuck would anyone with half a brain drop Silva and De Jong, 2 of our most influential players this season? Because of Saturday?! Bollocks. Taggart won't rest players tonight, and thats because Taggart wants to win everything he can get his whisky soaked hands on. Play things too cautious and last night happens. Tevez coming off injured was just some kind of sick Karma-esque kick in the face to mancini for fucking about with a previously winning side.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

Hughes wasn't good enough mate, get over it. IMO he wouldn't have us above 4th, we've been through all this our squad shouldn't settle for 4th etc, maybe not but it's not easy to just sign a load of players and expect them to finish above teams who have been established in the top four and have been building a squad of top players for much longer than us

At the end of the day we are 4th, even if Spurs win their game in hand we will be 4th. Whats most important at the end of the season is that we remain in 4th, as it stands we have a slight advantage, if we get 4th this season then Mancini will have done a good job, not a great one, not an excellent one but a good job in his first full season, if we don't then he'll have failed. You don't have your team 4th in the league with 6 games to go if you don't have a clue, if you are clueless as many have suggested on here over the past 12 hours

No, with the personnel at hand and the outlay spent, you have them 3rd, and a comfortable 3rd at that. He is clueless too, because why the fuck would anyone with half a brain drop Silva and De Jong, 2 of our most influential players this season? Because of Saturday?! Bollocks. Taggart won't rest players tonight, and thats because Taggart wants to win everything he can get his whisky soaked hands on. Play things too cautious and last night happens. Tevez coming off injured was just some kind of sick Karma-esque kick in the face to mancini for fucking about with a previously winning side.

Go back to Saturday please and check how many changes Ferguson made ahead of tonights game. He rests players but they were good enough to get the job done, the players we played last night were good enough to go and get a result but they weren't interested, personally i thought Mancini got it wrong resting De Jong and Silva, i'd never leave De Jong out of the team, he's our most important player.

The problem with last night is we didn't play things too cautious when we should have done, we should have gone with 5 in midfield with one up front rather than an attacking line up but fans have been calling for an attacking line up and a 4-4-2 for ages

He's not clueless, he's a manager who is doing a decent job while making mistakes, it happens and it always will. You have them 3rd and a comfortable 3rd at that, why is that? Who should we be comfortably finishing above?

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Cling to what? The fact we are 4th in the league?

Yes and playing shit with Spurs level on points if they win their game in hand. 4th in the league is shit anyway with this squad, or most of this squad anyway. I reckon with the personnel at his disposal, Hughes would be doing better than this fucker we have in 'charge' at the minute. I reckon the squad looked at the starting line up and those who were dropped let it known they were pissed off, then those on the pitch let it known they were pissed off too, pissed off Gareth fucking Barry was on the pitch. Barton had everythin spot on last week when he said what he said.

What has that c**t got to do with our football club? Did you see him against Villa? On the whole I do agree with a lot of what you are saying Pigeonho (based upon the evidence I am seeing on the pitch), but come on let's not start elevating that t**t of a man to some sort of respectability.

Mancini got it completely wrong last night - not just one thing, but everything - the starting line up, the substitutions, the tactics, the half-time talk, the way he tied his scarf.....every single bloody thing. The blame is his and his alone for last night.

I also blame him for bowing to the pressure put on him by those fans who have been bawling like babies about the style of play " I want attacking play! This is boring - why can't we play like Spurs? What three defensive midfielders again - this man's a cretin! It's not fair, why can't I support a team that plays great football? Boo hoo hoo!" Well, that boring shit made us one of the most solid away teams in the league, rather than the mess of a system we had last night. For F***s sake, we made a Liverpool second string look like world beaters! And for this fact alone, I think his position is moving very close to untenable. An FA Cup and Champions Leaguer place will be the minimum he will need to achieve this season, and even then I think the Shiek will be saying 'ciao Roberto'.

 

[Pigeonho]

No, with the personnel at hand and the outlay spent, you have them 3rd, and a comfortable 3rd at that. He is clueless too, because why the fuck would anyone with half a brain drop Silva and De Jong, 2 of our most influential players this season? Because of Saturday?! Bollocks. Taggart won't rest players tonight, and thats because Taggart wants to win everything he can get his whisky soaked hands on. Play things too cautious and last night happens. Tevez coming off injured was just some kind of sick Karma-esque kick in the face to mancini for fucking about with a previously winning side.

Go back to Saturday please and check how many changes Ferguson made ahead of tonights game. He rests players but they were good enough to get the job done, the players we played last night were good enough to go and get a result but they weren't interested, personally i thought Mancini got it wrong resting De Jong and Silva, i'd never leave De Jong out of the team, he's our most important player.

The problem with last night is we didn't play things too cautious when we should have done, we should have gone with 5 in midfield with one up front rather than an attacking line up but fans have been calling for an attacking line up and a 4-4-2 for ages

He's not clueless, he's a manager who is doing a decent job while making mistakes, it happens and it always will. You have them 3rd and a comfortable 3rd at that, why is that? Who should we be comfortably finishing above?

When they were on their slump, Chelsea. We should have taken full advantage of that and made an attempt to pull away from them when they were languishing in 5th/6th. We didn't though.
Also, United were facing Fulham at Old Trafford, I would have expected that they rested players against them. We were facing Liverpool away, I would have expected that we would rest no-one and build on the result against Sunderland. We didn't though, our clever clogs manager dropped 2 of his best players and the rest is history. Also, another worrying bit of management last night was replacing the sub Balotelli with De Jong with hardly any of the game left to go, at 3-0 down! I mean there is literally no explanation as to why that would happen. It did happen though, and for me it screamed desperation and utter cluelessness from Mancini, just like not testing an 18 year kid at full back did. Last night wasn't a mistake, it was a disaster from Mancini but the worrying thing is, (as I just said on another thread), we the fans could see it, yet Mancini couldn't?! And this is the guy to lead us to cup and league glory for seasons to come? Absolutely no chance.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

Go back to Saturday please and check how many changes Ferguson made ahead of tonights game. He rests players but they were good enough to get the job done, the players we played last night were good enough to go and get a result but they weren't interested, personally i thought Mancini got it wrong resting De Jong and Silva, i'd never leave De Jong out of the team, he's our most important player.

The problem with last night is we didn't play things too cautious when we should have done, we should have gone with 5 in midfield with one up front rather than an attacking line up but fans have been calling for an attacking line up and a 4-4-2 for ages

He's not clueless, he's a manager who is doing a decent job while making mistakes, it happens and it always will. You have them 3rd and a comfortable 3rd at that, why is that? Who should we be comfortably finishing above?

When they were on their slump, Chelsea. We should have taken full advantage of that and made an attempt to pull away from them when they were languishing in 5th/6th. We didn't though.
Also, United were facing Fulham at Old Trafford, I would have expected that they rested players against them. We were facing Liverpool away, I would have expected that we would rest no-one and build on the result against Sunderland. We didn't though, our clever clogs manager dropped 2 of his best players and the rest is history. Also, another worrying bit of management last night was replacing the sub Balotelli with De Jong with hardly any of the game left to go, at 3-0 down! I mean there is literally no explanation as to why that would happen. It did happen though, and for me it screamed desperation and utter cluelessness from Mancini, just like not testing an 18 year kid at full back did. Last night wasn't a mistake, it was a disaster from Mancini but the worrying thing is, (as I just said on another thread), we the fans could see it, yet Mancini couldn't?! And this is the guy to lead us to cup and league glory for seasons to come? Absolutely no chance.

The problem is Pige you could also see that 4-4-2 would work, that if we played with an attacking line up we'll be much better, this is what most people were saying after the Sunderland game and again last night we went 4-4-2 with two strikers and look what happened? We should have gone back to playing 5 in midfield with one up top, Mancini got it wrong by not doing that. Don't give me all we the fans could see it yet Mancini couldn't please, do you think it's that straight forward? It's a ridiculous comment to be honest

I completely agree we shouldn't have rested De Jong and Silva and he shouldn't have brought De Jong on, he knows he made a mistake there but hey managers do make mistakes from time to time but that doesn't make them clueless, winning trophies with the 3 clubs prior to us and having us in 4th with 6 games to go and in a semi final is not the actions of a clueless manager, Mancini is a good manager but he has plenty to improve on. Will he be allowed to show if he's got the improvements in him with us? I'm not so sure but what i will say is i have confidence in us putting last night behind us and finishing the season well, i can't wait for Wembley on Saturday

 

[Pigeonho]

When they were on their slump, Chelsea. We should have taken full advantage of that and made an attempt to pull away from them when they were languishing in 5th/6th. We didn't though.
Also, United were facing Fulham at Old Trafford, I would have expected that they rested players against them. We were facing Liverpool away, I would have expected that we would rest no-one and build on the result against Sunderland. We didn't though, our clever clogs manager dropped 2 of his best players and the rest is history. Also, another worrying bit of management last night was replacing the sub Balotelli with De Jong with hardly any of the game left to go, at 3-0 down! I mean there is literally no explanation as to why that would happen. It did happen though, and for me it screamed desperation and utter cluelessness from Mancini, just like not testing an 18 year kid at full back did. Last night wasn't a mistake, it was a disaster from Mancini but the worrying thing is, (as I just said on another thread), we the fans could see it, yet Mancini couldn't?! And this is the guy to lead us to cup and league glory for seasons to come? Absolutely no chance.

The problem is Pige you could also see that 4-4-2 would work, that if we played with an attacking line up we'll be much better, this is what most people were saying after the Sunderland game and again last night we went 4-4-2 with two strikers and look what happened? We should have gone back to playing 5 in midfield with one up top, Mancini got it wrong by not doing that. Don't give me all we the fans could see it yet Mancini couldn't please, do you think it's that straight forward? It's a ridiculous comment to be honest

I completely agree we shouldn't have rested De Jong and Silva and he shouldn't have brought De Jong on, he knows he made a mistake there but hey managers do make mistakes from time to time but that doesn't make them clueless, winning trophies with the 3 clubs prior to us and having us in 4th with 6 games to go and in a semi final is not the actions of a clueless manager, Mancini is a good manager but he has plenty to improve on. Will he be allowed to show if he's got the improvements in him with us? I'm not so sure but what i will say is i have confidence in us putting last night behind us and finishing the season well, i can't wait for Wembley on Saturday

Well as soon as I saw Liverpools line up I thought to myseld, AJ will be onto that kid from the off. As it turns out the kid had an easy game because no-one was given the instruction to test him.
I'm not too sure the word 'mistake' is strong enough for the Balotelli/De Jong sub either. It wasn't a mistake, it was just a bizarre, clueless and totally baffling substitution. It ranks amongst the David James playing upfront instead of Macken for me. Clueless, baffling and not needed.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

The problem is Pige you could also see that 4-4-2 would work, that if we played with an attacking line up we'll be much better, this is what most people were saying after the Sunderland game and again last night we went 4-4-2 with two strikers and look what happened? We should have gone back to playing 5 in midfield with one up top, Mancini got it wrong by not doing that. Don't give me all we the fans could see it yet Mancini couldn't please, do you think it's that straight forward? It's a ridiculous comment to be honest

I completely agree we shouldn't have rested De Jong and Silva and he shouldn't have brought De Jong on, he knows he made a mistake there but hey managers do make mistakes from time to time but that doesn't make them clueless, winning trophies with the 3 clubs prior to us and having us in 4th with 6 games to go and in a semi final is not the actions of a clueless manager, Mancini is a good manager but he has plenty to improve on. Will he be allowed to show if he's got the improvements in him with us? I'm not so sure but what i will say is i have confidence in us putting last night behind us and finishing the season well, i can't wait for Wembley on Saturday

Well as soon as I saw Liverpools line up I thought to myseld, AJ will be onto that kid from the off. As it turns out the kid had an easy game because no-one was given the instruction to test him.
I'm not too sure the word 'mistake' is strong enough for the Balotelli/De Jong sub either. It wasn't a mistake, it was just a bizarre, clueless and totally baffling substitution. It ranks amongst the David James playing upfront instead of Macken for me. Clueless, baffling and not needed.

AJ should have tested Aurelio after he went on a yellow card yet he was absolutely shocking, he kept losing the ball wasn't moving into any space so why would it have been any different on the opposite flank? AJ went missing, he didn't want the ball and seemed scared when he had it. I just think last night was a terrible performance all round, manager and players included, if we played like that for the rest of the season we wouldn't win another game and Mancini would be sacked, as it happens i very much doubt we'll play like that again this season

I have no problem with people being angry, annoyed, disappointed with last night, it's perfectly understandble but Mancini is not clueless just because he makes a few mistakes

 

[mattbw7]

Can I offer a red perspective, you where as bad as we where at Anfield but you are by no means a bad team and sometimes teams need a kick up the arse (which we both got there)

I can't imagine you playing that badly two games in a row regardless of whether Tevez plays or not and your manager did admit a tactical error even though I think it was a selection error, many of us reds don't view you as the calamitous city of old and I suppose defeats like this hurt because there are more unexpected whereas in the 70's and 80's you went to anfield with some trepidation.

As for the Sunderland performance its hard to look good when the opposition is so poor on the day, we had the same issue with Fulham.

See you Saturday, those that are going.

 

[riley347]

i,ve got over the liverpool result-it,s the missing of carlos on saturday that worries me!!!!