Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.I genuinely don't think we had much of an axe to grind with the Red lot down the M62 until the last 15 years (that's not excusing what their fan base chose to do in the 70s/80s across Europe it just didn't impact us).
Unfortunately they were taken over by septics who ganged together with the other septic owners to disparage us - their current fan base have chosen to buy into the nonsense and have reacted as they used to in the 70s and 80s
What about Clough’s first 8 years at Forest?
Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.
and I feel the same about you v Chelsea in Porto.
So as I said - your dislike started in 2014, that would qualify as the last 15 years yes???Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.
Which you are/were more than entitled to do :).I've always despised them.
Hahaha, I just wrote what I was thinking but you should have covered Havertz:)I have to admit to you, @normskih, that I wasn't on my own out on the pitch. The ten other lads were there. We did our best, but it just wasn't enough.
Hahaha, I just wrote what I was thinking but you should have covered Havertz:)
I've seen some reports recently that suggest that Alex Ferguson is the greatest manager ever in the English game. He was at Man U for almost 30 years and yes he won a lot of trophies. So hats off etc. However, it's very unlikely that Pep will be at City for this period of time. Therefore, I have compared the first 8 years of Pep's tenure with the first 8 years of GPC and there is no comparison. I have also included Bob Paisley in the mix too.
Let's spoil a good story with the facts. In the first 8 years of each managers tenure the major trophy count is as follows...
GPC 4
PG 15
BP 12
Plus, Pep has managed successfully in the German and Spanish leagues too. GPC achieved notable success with Aberdeen.
Trophies aside, Pep has revolutionised the way football is played in England.
What do you think?
I think the evidence of his impact in English football is as clear as day. The kick and rush of the 90s and 2000s is long gone. Who do you support?Has he revolutionised football in England? Also if he has, is that positive? Southampton lost to Liverpool last week because they got caught playing out when it was never on. They take points off Liverpool there it works in the favour of City. Burnley went down because they wouldn't change how they play.
It's also pretty standard Spanish football as well. Hot country, start of the season is 30c+, end of the season is 30c+, best way to play is to keep the ball in that heat. Worth remembering Spain won Euro 2008 playing tiki taka, which was a very Spanish way of playing adopted by Luis Aragones and the RFEF (Spanish FA) several years previous, Pep for the 2007/08 season was managing Barça B, so his impact on Spanish football there was negligible. They also won the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2012 playing the same way. The other way to look at it is if he has a long lasting impact. If he did in Germany, they lost their national identity, and had their worst tournament showing since before WW2 recently. Revolutionising something doesn't necessarily mean it's positive. The idea of football is to win games, you do that by scoring more goals than your opponent. How you do that is irrelevant as long as you do it.
And that evidence is what? The ironic thing being here England's most dominant period ever was the 80's, and if it wasn't for Heysel it would have been pretty much a decade of European domination for English clubs. Playing "kick and rush" with mainly British managers and British players. He arrived in England in 2016? Who was responsible for the impact in the 16 years previous. You can watch Sky Sports PL with games from the 90's and 00's and teams play out from the back, just not as frequently, but its always happened. The biggest change to English football was development in grass technology so everyone in the 92 pretty much has a good pitch. That started far before Pep was about.I think the evidence of his impact in English football is as clear as day. The kick and rush of the 90s and 2000s is long gone. Who do you support?
And that evidence is what? The ironic thing being here England's most dominant period ever was the 80's, and if it wasn't for Heysel it would have been pretty much a decade of European domination for English clubs. Playing "kick and rush" with mainly British managers and British players. He arrived in England in 2016? Who was responsible for the impact in the 16 years previous. You can watch Sky Sports PL with games from the 90's and 00's and teams play out from the back, just not as frequently, but its always happened. The biggest change to English football was development in grass technology so everyone in the 92 pretty much has a good pitch. That started far before Pep was I
In the words of John McEnroe..."you cannot be serious!". You want me to give you evidence of Pep's impact on the English game? I think you support a history club which explains your nostalgia and potential bias. However, Pep isn't the only influence in the game we see today. I accept that, but his influence is huge. Wenger brought a more cerebral approach to the game with a focus on technical skills. Mourinho's focus on the details/stats in the 2000s was also important. I think you should read Soccernomics which goes into some detail about the English game and how it has evolved.And that evidence is what? The ironic thing being here England's most dominant period ever was the 80's, and if it wasn't for Heysel it would have been pretty much a decade of European domination for English clubs. Playing "kick and rush" with mainly British managers and British players. He arrived in England in 2016? Who was responsible for the impact in the 16 years previous. You can watch Sky Sports PL with games from the 90's and 00's and teams play out from the back, just not as frequently, but its always happened. The biggest change to English football was development in grass technology so everyone in the 92 pretty much has a good pitch. That started far before Pep was about.
I think the evidence of his impact in English football is as clear as day. The kick and rush of the 90s and 2000s is long gone. Who do you support?
M40mis a splitter. A bucketeer. A pallet park regular.In the words of John McEnroe..."you cannot be serious!". You want me to give you evidence of Pep's impact on the English game? I think you support a history club which explains your nostalgia and potential bias. However, Pep isn't the only influence in the game we see today. I accept that, but his influence is huge. Wenger brought a more cerebral approach to the game with a focus on technical skills. Mourinho's focus on the details/stats in the 2000s was also important. I think you should read Soccernomics which goes into some detail about the English game and how it has evolved.