Most overrated player in English football

blueplan said:
Gar said:
Fabregas for me. Not that he's a bad player but if you listen to Arsenal fans Maradona in his prime should be shining his shoes, and for some reason Barca are all over him when Xavi/Iniesta are miles and miles ahead of him. He's a very good midfielder but you never see him put the team on his shoulders when he's supposed to be their best player. Never understood what the big deal.

Yes Fabergas is a good player. Has he ever bootstrapped his team to a title?
To place him on the same pedestal as Maradona? Nobody in his right mind will do that. However Gooney worships him tho' but then is Gooney of sound mind?;)

Likewise for rags & the parochial jingoistic media who placed United midfielder Scholes on a god-like genius pedestal. If he is that on par with Zidane how come he has not contributed significantly to the national team?

Scholes is what he is. Even in his prime Giggs, Keane and Beckham (speaking of overrated) got a lot more publicity then him. He's an effective but quiet player that's always been very good at what he's been asked to do. Rags or not whoever thought of him as a player in the Zidane category who can lift the whole team by himself hasn't been paying attention, plus he had a good WC in 98 but retired after that for some reason. Could have really helped England in the last two, like him or not. Fabergas on the other hand is supposed to be in that category but is at best the 4th best spanish midfielder, and I'm not entirely sure Silva isn't better. For sure you can use him in a lot more ways.
 
blueplan said:
Moo! said:
Drogba - Only had 2 good seasons, not up there with the best as some would have you believe.

I guess you are right with all the BS citations below


Individual awards

Onze d'Or: 2004
UEFA Cup Top Scorer: 2004
Ligue 1 Goal of the Year: 2004
Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2004
Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2004
Ivorian Footballer of the Year: 2006, 2007
African Footballer of the Year: 2006, 2009
Chelsea Players' Player of the Year: 2007
Premier League Golden Boot: 2007, 2010
PFA Team of the Year: 2007, 2010
UEFA Team of the Year: 2007
ESM Team of the Year: 2007
FIFPro World XI: 2007
BBC African Footballer of the Year: 2009
West African Footballer of the Year : 2010
Chelsea Player of the Year: 2010
Time Top 100: 2010
Côte d'Ivoire all-time Top Scorer
Why did you make 'Top Time' bold ? thats for doing work in africa, fair play to him.

Anyway the OP said "Who do you think".
 
Gar said:
Fabregas for me. Not that he's a bad player but if you listen to Arsenal fans Maradona in his prime should be shining his shoes, and for some reason Barca are all over him when Xavi/Iniesta are miles and miles ahead of him. He's a very good midfielder but you never see him put the team on his shoulders when he's supposed to be their best player. Never understood what the big deal.
Fabregas 213 games 72 assists in the PL
Lampard 324 games 75 assists in the PL
Gerrard 304 games 65 assists in the PL

Fabregas is the most creative player in the league. He had 20 assist in one season just the league. How many players can match that?<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:21 pm --<br /><br />
Gar said:
blueplan said:
Yes Fabergas is a good player. Has he ever bootstrapped his team to a title?
To place him on the same pedestal as Maradona? Nobody in his right mind will do that. However Gooney worships him tho' but then is Gooney of sound mind?;)

Likewise for rags & the parochial jingoistic media who placed United midfielder Scholes on a god-like genius pedestal. If he is that on par with Zidane how come he has not contributed significantly to the national team?

Scholes is what he is. Even in his prime Giggs, Keane and Beckham (speaking of overrated) got a lot more publicity then him. He's an effective but quiet player that's always been very good at what he's been asked to do. Rags or not whoever thought of him as a player in the Zidane category who can lift the whole team by himself hasn't been paying attention, plus he had a good WC in 98 but retired after that for some reason. Could have really helped England in the last two, like him or not. Fabergas on the other hand is supposed to be in that category but is at best the 4th best spanish midfielder, and I'm not entirely sure Silva isn't better. For sure you can use him in a lot more ways.

better at what though? Both are playmakers and one is much better passer with better vision. Dont look at this seasons Cesc who has been dogged by injuries. he's a better player than Silva and has always been rated as better even in his home country, despite Cesc never playing in Spain. this is a boy that was getting games for Spain at the age of 18. hamstring issues has really messed with his rhythm last 18 months
 
Jackson-ctid said:
Robin Van Persie... Greedy, takes too long on the ball, poor finisher. Wrong type of player for Arsenal. If Arsenal had a striker like Eto'o, Forlan, Dzeko, Suarez, Fabiano they would be a far better team, good finishers with talent and a bit of pace who respect the passing game and know when to pass to their team mates. In fact, I think it must be so frustrating for Arsenal fans because their team is so close to world class, it's unbelievable. If they went for it a bit in the transfer market and bought a top striker, world class goalkeeper and a commanding centre back. They could easily beat everyone in the league imo.
lol Van Persie is absolutely vital to Arsenals passing game. Its clear you dont watch Arsenal games.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zZ8WgcRFA[/youtube]
 
VanPersie said:
lol Van Persie is absolutely vital to Arsenals passing game.

He can be very wasteful though, he misses far too many chances for an alleged world class forward. If Arsenal had a world class striker in the team (along with a world class goalkeeper and possibly a top class experienced defender), they/you would have walked the league title this year. Wenger's stubbornness is costing Arsenal years of trophies.
 
LoveCity said:
VanPersie said:
lol Van Persie is absolutely vital to Arsenals passing game.

He can be very wasteful though, he misses far too many chances for an alleged world class forward. If Arsenal had a world class striker in the team (along with a world class goalkeeper and possibly a top class experienced defender), they/you would have walked the league title this year. Wenger's stubbornness is costing Arsenal years of trophies.
He has 20 league goals in his last 21 league starts. I disagree if Van Persie remained fit for the first half of the season we probably would have walked to league.

You'll have look hard to find an Arsenal fan who doubts rvps quality and importance when fit
 
VanPersie said:
Jackson-ctid said:
Robin Van Persie... Greedy, takes too long on the ball, poor finisher. Wrong type of player for Arsenal. If Arsenal had a striker like Eto'o, Forlan, Dzeko, Suarez, Fabiano they would be a far better team, good finishers with talent and a bit of pace who respect the passing game and know when to pass to their team mates. In fact, I think it must be so frustrating for Arsenal fans because their team is so close to world class, it's unbelievable. If they went for it a bit in the transfer market and bought a top striker, world class goalkeeper and a commanding centre back. They could easily beat everyone in the league imo.
lol Van Persie is absolutely vital to Arsenals passing game. Its clear you dont watch Arsenal games.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zZ8WgcRFA[/youtube]
I cant believe v.persie is compared to fabiano and suarez lol. he's far better player than those guys
 
VanPersie said:
LoveCity said:
He can be very wasteful though, he misses far too many chances for an alleged world class forward. If Arsenal had a world class striker in the team (along with a world class goalkeeper and possibly a top class experienced defender), they/you would have walked the league title this year. Wenger's stubbornness is costing Arsenal years of trophies.
He has 20 league goals in his last 21 league starts. I disagree if Van Persie remained fit for the first half of the season we probably would have walked to league.

You'll have look hard to find an Arsenal fan who doubts rvps quality and importance when fit
That, I have no doubt of. However, being completely impartial is a valuable, albeit rare trait in a football fan.

As for your point about RVP being fit = you walking the league...in what way would he have solved the fact that your centre-halves have been mainly gash? Would RVP have single-handedly turned Almunia into a decent keeper, incapable of making mistakes? No, no he wouldn't.

He'd have got you a few goals, no doubt, but the reason that you're behind us is largely down to your team being full of bottlers, not short of a fit striker.

And there's always the stock reply to any Arse fan saying "if Van Persie was fit..." which is: if my aunty had bollocks..etc.
 
I'll go with another Spanyard who used to be in Xabi Alonso. Once again a nice player, very good passer but isn't a midfield dictator and for the price Liverpool got Real Madrid to cough up you're going to want a midfield centerpiece, which he isn't. Not as good with Gerrard and the Barcalona midfield are going to expose his lack of quickness and have him for lunch on Saturday. I know it's not relevant to the topic anymore but he was ridiculously overhyped while he was here. Shocking for a Liverpool player to be overhyped isn't it.
 
First of all, let me clarify, I am what you guys would describe as a "rag". Yes, I do support Manchester United but hear me out first. I genuinely live 10 minutes away from Old Trafford, in an area called Timperley, if you don't believe me then you can IP check me if you want to, so I'm not like any of those 1132529 people in London who 'support' United simply because they win trophies.

Now, as my first point, I would like to ask why some of you guys here reckon that Nani is overrated? On the official assists counter, he has got eighteen assists, seven assists more than the next guy down the line. Goals wise he's scored ten this season. Now, I would like to ask how many wingers in the world (Bar the mentally unstable and almost physically impossible abberations of Ronaldo and Messi) can have stats that magnificent? Also he's almost the complete attacker. His dribbling is fantastic, in my opinion the best in the premier league bar maybe one, his touch is excellent, his crossing is very good and he is rapid as hell. Understably, his irritating antics may make people see red mist and take away from his actual abilities, though I would say this season, he has been United's most complete attacker. One thing you could say he lacks is aerial ability but we've not really seen him enough in that role to really judge, as he does not usually, if at all, play up front on his own or even in a leading the line role.

Next on the agenda is Valencia, which is a name I've seen cropped up a few times. To deal with this issue, I would say he is the footballing equivalent of Jonathan Trott, for anybody who watches cricket. Valencia's best is not that outstanding, but the thing is he is hardly, if ever, awful. He's always near that good level and always puts in a great shift, hardly ever looses the ball and is always willing to track back and help defend. Not to mention he adds an extra dimension as he is a classical winger who cuts to the byline and whips in a cross. His dribbling is not that spectacular but he is effective and i think of him nothing more than that. He's there to keep balance and to keep the team dynamic. As for whether he is overrated or not, I don't think the media really rate him to be anything more than what I've described, he's certainly not a Ronaldo, Figo, Nani, esque unpredictable creative playmaking winger as he is very predictable but he does his job very well.

A few people mentioned Hernandez though to an extent I would agree. Jamie Redknapp described him as the buy of the century, which is completely ridiculous. He is a very good striker who is always at the right place and the right time and is very quick but his dribbling, holding play and distribution leaves a lot to be desired. However, this is overlooked by the media by the fact that he has bailed United out of so many dodgy situations by simply being at the right place at the right time. Fantastic option to have on the bench at the moment and if his overall play develops, would be a good starting striker.

Regarding Carrick and Gibson, how can a player be overrated if they are not rated at all? If you ever feel the urge to vist redcafe.net (god forbid) you will see that even most United 'fans' there will dislike him. Same with O'shea really, he's not overrated simply because he's not even rated. Carrick is a bit more of an enigma, two years ago he was fantastic, after the defeat in the Stadio Olympico to Barcelona, he's not looked the same since until recently against Chelsea, prior to that he was certainly playing awful and most people recognize that. I think the same applies to Scholes as it does Nani, that some of his actions on the pitch have had a clouding effect on his genuine footballing ability. And the person who claimed he can do those fifty yarders, can you sort me out with an eighth for tomorrow please? And for the person who mentioned Giggs, please explain? I don't see how on earth somebody who has played at the top level for twenty two years and is the most decorated player in footballing history could possibly be overrated?

Now for the topic at hand. The first overrated player I would choose, and perhaps the most blatant is Gareth Bloody Bale. His close control is very limited, he is very one dimensional, he is not very explosive. In fact the only thing that is going for him really is his pace. I mean seriously, how has Dibijl Cisse dribbling got him so highly rated? My mate told me he's better than Nani, I said how? He said, "You don't see Nani scoring a hattrick against Inter Milan." I didn't know how to reply. But he was an Arsenal fan so I wasn't really suprised by the comment. My University lecturer, who is Derby county fan said to me that Bale is the best crosser in the premier league. Yeah, I mean it really shows doesn't it with that amazing three assists he's got. It seems the Daily Fail and The Sun have really convinced the people that Gareth Bale is the Welsh Jesus incarnate or the last of the long lost line of Druids.

The second most overrated player in the league I reckon is Dirk Kuyt. Now, not many people would agree with me here and it seems that I'm alone in thinking he is a pile of crap. Seriously Van Basten? Dirk Kuyt over Arjen Robben? Dirk Kuyt over Van Der Vaart? Dirk Kuyt over Van Persie? I didn't know that being able to run up and down the left hand side of the pitch is good enough to become a permanent starter on your national team. Hmm, I'm going to hit the treadmill for the next year and try and ring up Fabio Capello. Yes, he's pretty damn consistent, consistently average. He can't dribble, his goal scoring record for a proclaimed "20/20" striker is abysmal, he has limited assists, his technique isn't great. I think that the only reason he plays for Liverpool is because the Liverpool wingers are genuinely a bit...well....lets put it into perspective, Albert Riera was their first choice winger for a while.

The final overrated player in my opinion is David Luiz. Now, I may be quoted wrong and humiliated in what, a years time? But really, after three games, a decent volley against us and two pretty solid games, he was proclaimed as one of the best centre backs in the league. I don't think one of the world's best centrebacks can really get skinned like a banana against Matthew Etherington. Yes Matthew Etherington. I'll repeat that again. The media proclaimed one of the best centre backs in the league got annihalated by Matthew Etherington. Most elegaic story of the season? Now if he plays well for the next two seasons then fair enough. But now? Hell no. If centre backs were judged solely on their first three games then Jonny Evans would be the new Franz Beckenbauer. One of my mates told me that the only reason we beat Chelsea in the CL was because Luiz wasn't playing. Yes, thats how deep it had gotten.

On an ending note I believe players like Lescott, Reina, Carragher and Nasri are criminally overrated but not as much as the three above. I would also like to say that I don't believe Rooney is overrated, just that I don't want to waste my time and energy typing words that defend the fat ****. He's an excellent player, just the only player at United I genuinely dislike.

Of course, I'm bound to be bias as I'm wearing red tinted goggles but this is my opinion and not all opinion is correct.
 
You are on a City forum. And we like our tints blue. Nani is disliked for 2 reasons, he is United and he dives.

Otherwise, he is a top 5 player in the league. Valencia on the other hand isn't. My general problem is with how overatted is defined. Each person defines it differently. For me you have to be considered one of the best and actually not be, to be overatted.

Gareth Bale is overatted. But Kuyt isn't since he is not conisdered a top player anyway. Luiz is overatted too. However I think he is class. And this was from my opinion of him before he came into the league.
 
You are on a City forum. And we like our tints blue. Nani is disliked for 2 reasons, he is United and he dives.

This is what I fail to understand. You can't just dislike a player just because he plays for a certain club. For example I dislike Liverpool immensely but I like Carroll as a player. I dislike Gerrard for diving and Suarez for being a cheating bastard. I'm impartial on their other players. I can understand why Nani is loathed for his antics, but simply playing for us is a bit steep in my opinion.

It's like Liverpool fans hating Michael Owen for joining us. Seriously, I mean it was either that or bloody Hull City. Any person with any common sense would have joined United, yet Pool fans blame him for it. If i was Owen and it was the choice between Manchester City and Wigan Athletic, I'd choose City in a heartbeat.
 
mancronnie said:
You are on a City forum. And we like our tints blue. Nani is disliked for 2 reasons, he is United and he dives.

This is what I fail to understand. You can't just dislike a player just because he plays for a certain club. For example I dislike Liverpool immensely but I like Carroll as a player. I dislike Gerrard for diving and Suarez for being a cheating bastard. I'm impartial on their other players. I can understand why Nani is loathed for his antics, but simply playing for us is a bit steep in my opinion.

It's like Liverpool fans hating Michael Owen for joining us. Seriously, I mean it was either that or bloody Hull City. Any person with any common sense would have joined United, yet Pool fans blame him for it. If i was Owen and it was the choice between Manchester City and Wigan Athletic, I'd choose City in a heartbeat.

Personally, no matter who Nani played for i'd still think he was a ****.
 
Personally, no matter who Nani played for i'd still think he was a ****.

Yes, for his diving and childish antics though, not for the club he played for. The fact is, if Nani didn't dive and cheat most Pool/City fans would still hate Nani.

Nani the fanny and Gareth Bale.
I can't decide on just one

Why do you think Nani is overrated?
 
Gareth Barry, unfortunately.<br /><br />-- Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:01 pm --<br /><br />
Dax777 said:
You are on a City forum. And we like our tints blue. Nani is disliked for 2 reasons, he is United and he dives.

Also, he is a twat.
 
mancronnie said:
I dislike Liverpool immensely but I like Carroll as a player.

Starting to wish City had got him instead of Dzeko. I know there was trouble off the pitch - but if he lived in Manchester then he'd no longer be the most famous person around like he would've been in Newcastle. Their Number 9 is a King. The Guy wouldn't be getting hassled all the time in Manchester.

Carroll will have a 1 in 2 scoring record for England by the time he retires.
 

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