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[depps]

I'm very curious as to why you consider him a murder BT, do you feel the same way about all military figures or is it just those of a socialist persuasion?

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Mandela, Bin Laden, Che. It doesn't sit well with everyone but it is definitely the case.

Big difference between Che and Bin Laden though. Fighting an army in the hills is a lot different from crashing planes into buildings full of civilians. I don't know enough about what Mandela got up to to comment.

 

[mountain blue]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Mandela, Bin Laden, Che. It doesn't sit well with everyone but it is definitely the case.

Big difference between Che and Bin Laden though. Fighting an army in the hills is a lot different from crashing planes into buildings full of civilians. I don't know enough about what Mandela got up to to comment.

Fundamentally I agree, however the point Im trying to make is that in some circles Che was seen as hero, and voice of the repressed. Many however saw him as an insurgent and brutal disciplinarian. Although Im not one of them many support Al Queeda's cause. Mandela is probably the most subjective of them all. He is a figurehead for freedom over repression, however it can't be denied that he and his colelgues used extreme methods to get their message across. I suppose youve got to decide if its your hill to die on, and how far you are prepared go.

 

[depps]

Big difference between Che and Bin Laden though. Fighting an army in the hills is a lot different from crashing planes into buildings full of civilians. I don't know enough about what Mandela got up to to comment.

Fundamentally I agree, however the point Im trying to make is that in some circles Che was seen as hero, and voice of the repressed. Many however saw him as an insurgent and brutal disciplinarian. Although Im not one of them many support Al Queeda's cause. Mandela is probably the most subjective of them all. He is a figurehead for freedom over repression, however it can't be denied that he and his colelgues used extreme methods to get their message across. I suppose youve got to decide if its your hill to die on, and how far you are prepared go.

I can't disagree with anything you have said there. What I was asking BT though is if Che is a 'murderer' is the same true of all soldiers who have killed someone. As far as I am aware (although of course I may be wrong) he was never involved in the indiscriminate killing of civilians so on what grounds does BT consider him to be a 'murderer'?

And even if he was involved in killing civilians does BT consider the RAF men who fire bombed Dresden to be 'murders' also?

 

[mountain blue]

Fundamentally I agree, however the point Im trying to make is that in some circles Che was seen as hero, and voice of the repressed. Many however saw him as an insurgent and brutal disciplinarian. Although Im not one of them many support Al Queeda's cause. Mandela is probably the most subjective of them all. He is a figurehead for freedom over repression, however it can't be denied that he and his colelgues used extreme methods to get their message across. I suppose youve got to decide if its your hill to die on, and how far you are prepared go.

I can't disagree with anything you have said there. What I was asking BT though is if Che is a 'murderer' is the same true of all soldiers who have killed someone. As far as I am aware (although of course I may be wrong) he was never involved in the indiscriminate killing of civilians so on what grounds does BT consider him to be a 'murderer'?

And even if he was involved in killing civilians does BT consider the RAF men who fire bombed Dresden to be 'murders' also?

I suppose you have to determine what is an act of war, and does that differ from murder. Its probably a lot easier for people to justify some of the acts of the first and second word wars, especially by the side they or their families and friends sympathise/d with. The fire storms created in Dresden were a reaction, or planned to met an end but the end result for the people who lived there were prob hard to understand. anyway, sorry if posted but I will lower the tone.

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[mancincali]

this is one of the 5 millionvictims in vietnam of the agent orange(white,blue,red,green,grey...whatever!)

FACT: whilst american companies made huge profits from selling these evil chemicals to the military.....their product....although can skip a generation....leaves victims disfigured.....and their future generations.

i just hope that they(US) as humans can live with that on their conscience

sick fucks!!!!!

and you're ignorant for generalising a whole nation! congrats! ..tawt.

 

[without a dream]

Fundamentally I agree, however the point Im trying to make is that in some circles Che was seen as hero, and voice of the repressed. Many however saw him as an insurgent and brutal disciplinarian. Although Im not one of them many support Al Queeda's cause. Mandela is probably the most subjective of them all. He is a figurehead for freedom over repression, however it can't be denied that he and his colelgues used extreme methods to get their message across. I suppose youve got to decide if its your hill to die on, and how far you are prepared go.

I can't disagree with anything you have said there. What I was asking BT though is if Che is a 'murderer' is the same true of all soldiers who have killed someone. As far as I am aware (although of course I may be wrong) he was never involved in the indiscriminate killing of civilians so on what grounds does BT consider him to be a 'murderer'?

And even if he was involved in killing civilians does BT consider the RAF men who fire bombed Dresden to be 'murders' also?

I'm a Che admirer but his negative actions could be described at best as 'harsh discipline' and at worst as murder/war crimes, there's certainly room for debate as with any revolutionary as to whether they were justified in the actions they took.

 

[Anonymous]

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Funny seeing all these wankers walking round with a murderer on their t-shirts.

I'm very curious as to why you consider him a murder BT, do you feel the same way about all military figures or is it just those of a socialist persuasion?

Any murderer who is fawned over.

 

[ono]

 

[Mills-Mcfc]

dont know if this has been posted