Motion - the country is completely broken

[Kinkybyname]

The difference is that more people are brainwashed than ever into believing it’s acceptable or normal, and many of them ‘support’ the party which is causing us all this destruction. No sane or rational working class person could possibly vote conservative at the next election but millions will.

why is that?

 

[City Hobgoblin]

What if you’ve called Putin a **** on social media? Still safe?

He doesn't read it

 

[Phil1]

He doesn't read it

He doesn’t need to, I’m pretty sure the likes of Russian Twitter/Facebook etc have people who do it for him.
Kinda negates the point though, not sure I have any interest in getting into a back and forth with anyone who doesn’t condemn everything the man and country in general stand for.
Enjoy your evening.

 

[Blue and true]

Terrible.

Here is my example from this year.

My mum who lived on her own had a fall. We paid £20 a month for carecall (a council run service) where at the press of a button, someone should come and help. They answered the call with “we haven’t got any staff on tonight so will call an ambulance”…..ambulance turns up 5 hrs later. She has been on the floor for that long! She is taken to hospital and I am now involved.

The A and E department was full and in the middle of the waiting area was a large pool of blood that hadn’t been cleaned. There must been 80 people waiting to be seen. She then had to wait on a trolley with around 20 other people on trolleys in a corridor for 6 more hours until she was seen, so by now it is 11 hours since the fall!

Finally she is seen and put in an observation ward overnight which is yards from the waiting area and she then had to listen to a fight going on in the middle of the night!

She had virtually no care all night and as she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get to the bathroom. You can imagine. The next day she finally got on a ward and needed to stay in for a week. The doctor said that spending 5 hrs on the floor at that age (74) can be fatal.

She had a very similar experience a couple of months later. Slightly less waiting but not by much.

She died last month at home and 2 days before this she had another fall and as a result of previous experiences, declined to go to hospital. Despite our loss, I’m a comforted that this is the way she went as the thought of her dying on a trolley surrounded by people moaning and groaning is just a hideous one.

This country and the leadership is an absolute shambles currently and there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.

That's horrendous mate, sorry for your loss. I lost my Nana this week, but under circumstances that don't compare. However, she had a stint in hospital ten years ago after a fall. The attendant nurses and doctors were commensurately professional at the time, but they were close to breaking point. The only available space in the ward for my Nana was the size of a broom cupboard, and as best I remember, one locum nurse had to tend to her and several others for three nights straight. By the time she came out, doubtless through the cramped conditions, she'd contracted other illnesses. The NHS is a national treasure, but sadly isn't fit for purpose.

The Tories getting in again doesn't bear thinking about. But views are so entrenched in this age of angst, that I can see it happening. As long as swathes of the populace are led to believe desperate families washing up on our shores in rubber dinghies are the crux of the issue, nothing will change.

 

[Coatigan]

People have mainly either given up or perversely like the bubble they live in and will not risk it to make society better. We have been heading this way for a long long time.

The lack of anger is strange. If this was the 70s or early 80s people would be on the streets. The situation this country is in is absurd.

Anger at what? The realisation they got their choice and it is shite, despite being told this plenty?

Make society better? This was brought about by people trying to 'make society better'.

17.5 million people voted for Brexit. Nearly 14 million people voted for this government in a landslide, to deliver it.

This now, is the reality of that choice. Now we live with it. Protests, taking to the streets, strikes, and all that is now total nonsense, particulatly by those that wanted it.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

That's horrendous mate, sorry for your loss. I lost my Nana this week, but under circumstances that don't compare. However, she had a stint in hospital ten years ago after a fall. The attendant nurses and doctors were commensurately professional at the time, but they were close to breaking point. The only available space in the ward for my Nana was the size of a broom cupboard, and as best I remember, one locum nurse had to tend to her and several others for three nights straight. By the time she came out, doubtless through the cramped conditions, she'd contracted other illnesses. The NHS is a national treasure, but sadly isn't fit for purpose.

The Tories getting in again doesn't bear thinking about. But views are so entrenched in this age of angst, that I can see it happening. As long as swathes of the populace are led to believe desperate families washing up on our shores in rubber dinghies are the crux of the issue, nothing will change.

Yes the nurses and Doctors were great when they had the time to deal with her. There were just not enough people for the number of patients they had, particularly in A and E. On the other side of the NHS fence, one of my friends was a middle manager and one year got a £7k pay rise for no reason other than if they didn’t spend the budget, they wouldn’t get it again. Ridiculous and resources not being used in the right places.

 

[hilts]

Anger at what? The realisation they got their choice and it is shite, despite being told this plenty?

Make society better? This was brought about by people trying to 'make society better'.

17.5 million people voted for Brexit. Nearly 14 million people voted for this government in a landslide, to deliver it.

This now, is the reality of that choice. Now we live with it. Protests, taking to the streets, strikes, and all that is now total nonsense, particulatly by those that wanted it.

You have made the assumption that people who voted brexit or for the Tories believe it is shite. That’s a pretty big error on your part unless you think you speak for those people.

 

[Gabriel]

 

[Bill Walker]

MMPR is what we need.

Yeah but the anti-vax brigade will never go for it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Anger at what? The realisation they got their choice and it is shite, despite being told this plenty?

Make society better? This was brought about by people trying to 'make society better'.

17.5 million people voted for Brexit. Nearly 14 million people voted for this government in a landslide, to deliver it.

This now, is the reality of that choice. Now we live with it. Protests, taking to the streets, strikes, and all that is now total nonsense, particulatly by those that wanted it.

Mate, I'll have another bash at the same point and you know that I am no Tory.

People believed what the Tories and Johnson told them. They believed the media that told them the same messages.
They believed that Labour were unelectable because both the Tories and the media told them that.

Lots of people now realise that they were lied to. Why would they not be angry at that.