What are you talking about? As I previously stated, this will be the first time that I will not vote for Labour.
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Motion - the country is completely broken
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johnnytapia
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No, I was there in ‘88 and ‘89. Think freedom of movement came into existence following Maastricht in ‘92. Not sure what, if any, limitations there were when I was there. I do remember that I only had a one year passport and couldn’t get into Berlin.So you had enjoyed the benefit of free movement in at least two countries and voted to remove it from others....?
bluethrunthru
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at circa +200k per annum (majority of whom were EU nationals) and felt that wasn’t sustainable.
Net migration TE June 2022 is estimated at 504k - as I say this was all explained as pert of Project Fear
Meanwhile we have lost our FoM
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No, I was there in ‘88 and ‘89. Think freedom of movement came into existence following Maastricht in ‘92. Not sure what, if any, limitations there were when I was there. I do remember that I only had a one year passport and couldn’t get into Berlin.
Not quite correct. Freedom of movement existed before Maastricht but applied to workers, Maastricht created the concept of EU citizenship which extended freedom of movement.
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What are you talking about? As I previously stated, this will be the first time that I will not vote for Labour.
Are you from Hartlepool?
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When I read that I was going to have a pop, but the more you think about it, that’s how they got to that position.The media tell you something often enough people start believing it. Joseph Goebbels knew a thing or two about that. Change Jews for immigrants and you start to see the picture.
It’s wretched.
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Does that equate to the rest of the MPs as well? Only asking as the majority seemed to vote that way.Killing a million people is a very low bar.
Oh, and who killed a million people, was it us?
Mate, I'll have another bash at the same point and you know that I am no Tory.
People believed what the Tories and Johnson told them. They believed the media that told them the same messages.
They believed that Labour were unelectable because both the Tories and the media told them that.
Lots of people now realise that they were lied to. Why would they not be angry at that.
Sorry bud, this is not one I can bring myself to agree with you on. Left it a couple days to try. People get lied to every election, nothing new.
With Brexit, people just didn't want to give a fuck. Didn't want to know, didn't want to care. And same when voting in this government to get it done.
Turkeys voted for Christmas.
Now they are striking.
At Christmas.
This is the reality we chose. Now suck it the fuck up. Stop striking, stop moaning. Go work your bollocks off to afford the bare minimum so I can go work mine off for fuck all to show for it.
Nothing will change if Labour now come in btw, it is too far gone.
Therein lies the real tale of why politics is broken in this country. The fact we can have (and have had) “wrong winner” elections (party with highest vote % not being the “winner”) tells you how utterly shite our system is. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas so it ain’t changing soon.
In what way do we not have a party with the highest % of votes. The Tories have 44% of the vote. In a parliament made up of 12 parties. For one party to have that percentage of vote is a landslide. Even in PR terms, the 50% benchmark prople here moot only applies when there are only 2 parties fighting it out, plenty PR governments are formed with far lower vote percentages than the current government have.
Please note, I am not arguing for FPTP, or that it is right. But that the government in power isn't one that somehow got through the cracks. It was chosen, by a large margin.
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We currently have the party with the largest %, as you’ve correctly pointed out. But it’s possible, and has happened, that the party with largest % hasn’t formed the government- ‘74 and ‘51 I think.In what way do we not have a party with the highest % of votes. The Tories have 44% of the vote. In a parliament made up of 12 parties. For one party to have that percentage of vote is a landslide. Even in PR terms, the 50% benchmark prople here moot only applies when there are only 2 parties fighting it out, plenty PR governments are formed with far lower vote percentages than the current government have.
Please note, I am not arguing for FPTP, or that it is right. But that the government in power isn't one that somehow got through the cracks. It was chosen, by a large margin.
That can’t be right whatever party or voting system one prefers.