Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[VOOMER]

Patterson lives in a six bed mansion. Also
"Its three directors shared pay of £2.3m, of which £1.3m was paid to one unnamed executive.

Separate accounts for Fujitsu’s European holding company, which also includes operations in Scandinavia and the Middle East, indicate that its directors were also paid bonuses.

Two directors of Fujitsu Services Holdings plc received share-based payouts as part of a “long-term incentive scheme”, a form of bonus that rewards executives for performance, typically over several years."

They like to pay higher management well but don't pay the majority of their employees well at this ethical company and one union is beginning strike action on Jan 17th due to the latest derisory pay offer.

Were the initials AB, or DC and are they also a tribute band?

 

[dickie davies]

Were the initials AB, or DC and are they also a tribute band?

 

[VOOMER]

Post Office boss admits money from Horizon victims may have gone into executive pay

The Post Office's chief executive admitted it is a possibility the money taken from branch managers could have been part of "hefty numeration packages for executives", as he appeared before MPs alongside a senior Fujitsu figure.

news.sky.com

Merchant bankers of a planetary size

 

[MCFC Wirral]

The reputation damage here is substantial. They’ll forever be tarnished.

 

[1974Blue]

Were the initials AB, or DC and are they also a tribute band?

I don't think their payment would have been through the books somehow
The original acts were so bad I don't think anyone would want to perform as a tribute.

 

[bluethrunthru]

last week Post Office

"we didn't know - nobody told us - can't remember "

Fujitsu today

" there were bugs since the launch - we told the Post Office"

Fuck me this could lead to some prosecutions

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Disgusting cunts, fujitsu, the post office and this government are an absolute disgrace. All of them covering up for each other and the fact that no marches, just SM disgust, has made them react, shows the power that can be exerted when needed.

Head‘s should role and the likes of fujitzu should be stopped from bidding for government procurements in the future.

I‘ll bet a pound to a penny that palms were greased.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go? Was anyone pocketing it?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go?

One asks that, week in, week out.

 

[East Level 2]

Disgusting cunts, fujitsu, the post office and this government are an absolute disgrace. All of them covering up for each other and the fact that no marches, just SM disgust, has made them react, shows the power that can be exerted when needed.

Head‘s should role and the likes of fujitzu should be stopped from bidding for government procurements in the future.

I‘ll bet a pound to a penny that palms were greased.

I'm not sure palms were greased as Fujitsu seemed to rely on bidding low and then charging more when their system failed to meet requirements.
I don't doubt your statement "Disgusting cunts, Fujitsu, the Post Office and this government are an absolute disgrace", but I'm not sure they fully colluded in the cover up initially as so many of their top management didn't seem to have a clue what was going on. Overall it is a shit-show of epic proportions and heads should roll. But I doubt if they will.

 

[East Level 2]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go? Was anyone pocketing it?

Did the money actually exist or was it just amounts created in error by the faulty Horizon software?

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go? Was anyone pocketing it?

It was included in the post office profits and then paid to Paula Vennells et al as part of their well earned bonus.

 

[Elbow beards]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go? Was anyone pocketing it?

This is raised in one of the later programmes.
They say all the money that the post masters paid would have gone in a holding account and when it wasn't claimed back would have just gone into the profits of the post office. Cunts.

 

[Elbow beards]

Did the money actually exist or was it just amounts created in error by the faulty Horizon software?

It did exist, it was all the money the post masters paid back.

 

[blueste41]

Watching it now for first time (on ITV) - i think it's the 2nd one.
The union man tells the group about him seeing the computer wipe money from post offices.
Where did the money go? Was anyone pocketing it?

Did the money actually exist or was it just amounts created in error by the faulty Horizon software?

The "missing money" shown on the Horizon system was never missing it was created by bugs, errors and defects in the system, one example is that in certain circumstances when a postmaster rolled over from one week to the next the system would add phantom stock to the file that didn't exist. So the following week when the postmaster balanced it looked like that stock was missing. In other words the cash and stock the postmaster had was correct it was the system figures that were wrong. There are now 43 known errors that would create phantom stock/cash.
The postmaster paid back the "missing" cash. It is now known that this cash was held in a suspense account for a period of time but then transferred to POL bottom line. So they effectively stole money from postamsters!

 

[VOOMER]

 

[VOOMER]

If you go towards the end of the video, the young lady confirms they are still prosecuting and have a wild guess which systems data is the bedrock of those prosecutions?

 

[VOOMER]

The "missing money" shown on the Horizon system was never missing it was created by bugs, errors and defects in the system, one example is that in certain circumstances when a postmaster rolled over from one week to the next the system would add phantom stock to the file that didn't exist. So the following week when the postmaster balanced it looked like that stock was missing. In other words the cash and stock the postmaster had was correct it was the system figures that were wrong. There are now 43 known errors that would create phantom stock/cash.
The postmaster paid back the "missing" cash. It is now known that this cash was held in a suspense account for a period of time but then transferred to POL bottom line. So they effectively stole money from postamsters!

A maximum of three years.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

The sad thing is that they surely won’t be the only business to suffer with unfit IT systems.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The sad thing is that they surely won’t be the only business to suffer with unfit IT systems.

I've worked for a company for 10 years and every time they introduce a new IT product, I hold off learning it too quickly, because it's almost certainly going to be massively scaled back at some point when it turns out to be shit.

A friend of mine found himself in a meeting giving evidence of the problems of one IT product with a bunch of managers who insisted they were still committed to it. After they thought he'd left the meeting (he was still there) they went on to discuss how they had no intention of fixing any of the issues and were going to just quietly let it limp on because it wasn't worth the resources needed to fix it.

But as Ian Hislop pointed out, it's not so much the shit technology, but the trust people have in it. Just believing that the computer must be correct, even though every bit of experience we all have is that computers constantly fuck up. It's not about whether or not IT systems fuck up though, it's what you do when they do.