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Munchen 1860 Pics & Vid
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Steviesleftpeg
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not a bad result all round
stony said:People are too sensitive over MVF, I thought it was OTT retiring the number 23 TBH.
It was almost as if some City fans were pleased that we had our own tragedy to mourn at last.
A player of ours died on the pitch and we retired the shirt. My whole problem is that if they retired the shirt, they look like cocks wearing it again. I'm fucked off because at the time, it was a very classy thing for the club to do, and wearing the number 23 now takes away from that.
Spindash said:Damocles said:I'm concerned that City seem to be losing touch with their roots a bit recently.
wat
The opposite is true.
If you believe the connection with the fanbase and the posturing over "Manchester's club" is anything but a marketing strategy, I think you are a little naive. Do you really think the Chairman, Owner or Chief Exec give a crap whether or not we identify with Manchester for any other reason except commercial benefit?
The point that I am making is that City were always the working class club. The rags were always the millionaires with the arrogant bastard fans, screaming for the next big name, while the Chairman/Manager flaunted and pimped their name out to every media outlet going. We were the ones that took the piss out of them for it and knew that we were in it for the love of the game and not the bragging rights or trophys or glory. We were the Moss Side boys, always going to the game and hoping that your car would still be there when you came out. Or doubling up at the turnstiles to get in the Gene Kelly Stand even though it was pissing it down, just because our temporary scaffolding had the best view in the ground (plus it was next to the away fans :), or seeing if you could hold your breath long enough to have a piss and get out without sucking in the foulest smelling air in Manchester.
THAT is what CTID means to me, Mr. Cook. It is MY club, whether I am sat alone in a crumbling ground watching a shit 11 players play with our shirt, getting beaten on a wet Wednesday by a pub team, or I'm in Milan watching us beat Barcelona 6-0 in the Champions League final, just as it is YOUR club. We seem to had an influx of fans in to the club who just 'dont get it'. I was walking down from Piccadilly Station the game after the Kaka thing went belly up (think it was against Newcastle), where two blues in front of me were saying how big a tit we looked and were slagging us off, and saying we were shit. I couldn't believe my ears to be honest.
I'm not complaining or saying the takeover was a bad thing, it just feels a little weird. It's like sleeping with your wife every night for twenty years, then waking up with Heather Locklear next to you. Sure, initially it's an improvement, but you begin to miss the little imperfections that made your wife, your wife. Or when we left Maine Road, the COM is obviously a better ground, but Maine Road was HOME. I don't know if I can explain what I mean properly.
Since the takeover, we have a new air of professionalism, ambition and focus. It's just strange to see, as this isn't what I signed my soul up for.
I think sentimentality is probably taking over me a bit at the moment as far as the club is concerned. I am truly grateful for the takeover, and the influx of a bright blue future though. The retirement of the number 23 is a connection to those days, and it would make me sad to see it belittled.
Damocles said:stony said:People are too sensitive over MVF, I thought it was OTT retiring the number 23 TBH.
It was almost as if some City fans were pleased that we had our own tragedy to mourn at last.
A player of ours died on the pitch and we retired the shirt. My whole problem is that if they retired the shirt, they look like cocks wearing it again. I'm fucked off because at the time, it was a very classy thing for the club to do, and wearing the number 23 now takes away from that.
He wasn't our player though and he didn't die playing for us. I disagree that it was a classy thing to do. I thought at the time and still do, that it was an overreaction on the clubs behalf, brought about by an embarrassing public outpouring of grief by City fans.
stony said:Damocles said:stony said:People are too sensitive over MVF, I thought it was OTT retiring the number 23 TBH.
It was almost as if some City fans were pleased that we had our own tragedy to mourn at last.
A player of ours died on the pitch and we retired the shirt. My whole problem is that if they retired the shirt, they look like cocks wearing it again. I'm fucked off because at the time, it was a very classy thing for the club to do, and wearing the number 23 now takes away from that.
He wasn't our player though and he didn't die playing for us. I disagree that it was a classy thing to do. I thought at the time and still do, that it was an overreaction on the clubs behalf, brought about by an embarrassing public outpouring of grief by City fans.
He was a player who was on loan to us, finished it up, and as far as we know, everybody had the intention of making the move permanent.
Also, it embarrassed you that City fans grieved for one of 'their' players? Why?
Damocles said:He was a player who was on loan to us, finished it up, and as far as we know, everybody had the intention of making the move permanent.
Also, it embarrassed you that City fans grieved for one of 'their' players? Why?
I get equally embarrassed by any public outpourings of grief. Princess Di, Jade, Michael Jackson, MVF, seriously whats the difference.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be respectful, but he's hardly a City legend like Colin Bell or Joe Mercer.
The way certain City fans behaved and still do over the tragic death of MVF went beyond simple respect.
It was almost as if they were happy that City now had it's own tragedy to mourn.
stony said:Damocles said:He was a player who was on loan to us, finished it up, and as far as we know, everybody had the intention of making the move permanent.
Also, it embarrassed you that City fans grieved for one of 'their' players? Why?
I get equally embarrassed by any public outpourings of grief. Princess Di, Jade, Michael Jackson, MVF, seriously whats the difference.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be respectful, but he's hardly a City legend like Colin Bell or Joe Mercer.
The way certain City fans behaved and still do over the tragic death of MVF went beyond simple respect.
It was almost as if they were happy that City now had it's own tragedy to mourn.
I do see your point, and I share it to an extent, but I still believe that if we retired the shirt, it should stay retired and not be worn in a nothing friendly. As I have tried to put across, I'm not so much angry over the disrespect to Foe, more about the fact that they seem to have forgotten something which was a big moment in City's history (I'm not saying it should be a big moment, etc, but like it or not, it is).
stony said:Damocles said:stony said:People are too sensitive over MVF, I thought it was OTT retiring the number 23 TBH.
It was almost as if some City fans were pleased that we had our own tragedy to mourn at last.
A player of ours died on the pitch and we retired the shirt. My whole problem is that if they retired the shirt, they look like cocks wearing it again. I'm fucked off because at the time, it was a very classy thing for the club to do, and wearing the number 23 now takes away from that.
He wasn't our player though and he didn't die playing for us. I disagree that it was a classy thing to do. I thought at the time and still do, that it was an overreaction on the clubs behalf, brought about by an embarrassing public outpouring of grief by City fans.
Gotta say stony,, I agree with you totally