Nani

[Van Persies left peg]

Another Nani out story here:

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Now thats something id be happy with, we've been linked with Rodriquez many times over the last year and Wanyama would give our midfield some much needed bollocks, don't see either in January though, both cup tied in europe and both key elements for their current clubs.

 

[MSP]

Nani is player who never fit the usual United player profile - you can be the World best ever but whatever you do on the pitch praise Ferguson for it, not yourself, say that it's him who made you to be that good, who learned you how to breath, have first sex etc,etc.. in short try to get yourself as deep inside Fergie as you can.

I can't remember ever seeing him in media with usual United players cliches. That's why he ultimately failed to make more stuff there. He was not really up for it and when you're not up for it then The Big Boss starts to sideline you until you're gone.

 

[Van Persies left peg]

Nani is player who never fit the usual United player profile - you can be the World best ever but whatever you do on the pitch praise Ferguson for it, not yourself and try to get yourself as deep inside Fergie as you can.

I can't remember ever seeing him in media with usual United players cliches. That's why he ultimately failed to make more stuff there. He was not really up for it and when you're not up for it then The Big Boss starts to sideline you until you're gone.

Well that's errr a 'different' way of viewing it, must admit ive never heard that one before, your saying Fergie would sell Rooney and Van Persie if they didn't praise him regularly in the media on a weekly basis as some sort of ego trip??

Dont see that myself, we had Ronaldo who is probably the most self confident player on the planet and we were loathed to sell him, and even today Fegie loves the bloke and would have him back in a heartbeat.

 

[MSP]

Nani is player who never fit the usual United player profile - you can be the World best ever but whatever you do on the pitch praise Ferguson for it, not yourself and try to get yourself as deep inside Fergie as you can.

I can't remember ever seeing him in media with usual United players cliches. That's why he ultimately failed to make more stuff there. He was not really up for it and when you're not up for it then The Big Boss starts to sideline you until you're gone.

Well that's errr a 'different' way of viewing it, must admit ive never heard that one before, your saying Fergie would sell Rooney and Van Persie if they didn't praise him regularly in the media on a weekly basis as some sort of ego trip??

Dont see that myself, we had Ronaldo who is probably the most self confident player on the planet and we were loathed to sell him, and even today Fegie loves the bloke and would have him back in a heartbeat.

No, he wouldn't as he depends on them. As Keane once said - you're fine with Fergie as long as he needs you but as soon as he thinks he can cope without you - be careful.

One can't have enough media stories about Ferguson authority and players are goners as soon as they dare to question a bit of it but he turned his back to Rooney saying - "do it Wazza, whatever you want" :) until he signed new contract as he knew they'd be in serious trouble if he left after Ronaldo already did it.

It's basically what Keane said too - "I could do whatever I wanted when I was on top, it changed as soon as I started to age".

Nani definitely was not a part of usual sect over there and having cover for him means Ferguson doesn't depend on him so he can get rid of him and impress some of new kids on the block.

And for praising and stuff - just read your players interviews. I mean, it's OK to respect manager, specially one who had as much success as Ferguson had,and as old as he is but you don't have to mention him 17 times ineach interview as most of them do. You can bet what interview is about before you hear/read it.

 

[Van Persies left peg]

Nani is player who never fit the usual United player profile - you can be the World best ever but whatever you do on the pitch praise Ferguson for it, not yourself and try to get yourself as deep inside Fergie as you can.

I can't remember ever seeing him in media with usual United players cliches. That's why he ultimately failed to make more stuff there. He was not really up for it and when you're not up for it then The Big Boss starts to sideline you until you're gone.

Well that's errr a 'different' way of viewing it, must admit ive never heard that one before, your saying Fergie would sell Rooney and Van Persie if they didn't praise him regularly in the media on a weekly basis as some sort of ego trip??

Dont see that myself, we had Ronaldo who is probably the most self confident player on the planet and we were loathed to sell him, and even today Fegie loves the bloke and would have him back in a heartbeat.

No, he wouldn't as he depends on them. As Keane once said - you're fine with Fergie as long as he needs you but as soon as he thinks he can cope without you - be careful.

One can't have enough media stories about Ferguson authority and players are goners as soon as they dare to question a bit of it but he turned his back to Rooney saying - "do it Wazza, whatever you want" :) until he signed new contract as he knew they'd be in serious trouble if he left after Ronaldo already did it.

It's basically what Keane said too - "I could do whatever I wanted when I was on top, it changed as soon as I started to age".

Nani definitely was not a part of usual sect over there and having cover for him means Ferguson doesn't depend on him so he can get rid of him and impress some of new kids on the block.

I think Keanes comments were more aimed at he being over the hill as a player rather than being outed due to any lack of 'Fergie media loving', of course every manager relies on certain players, Keane was one and got away with things others didn't because he was the heart of that specific side, he could do and say things others wouldn't dare, Keane never gave a shit tbh but its a totally different situation, Keane when he left was well past his prime and hadn't been a regular or the same player for months previous, Nani hasnt even entered his best years so thats not really a great comparison, your saying Nani is being sold because he hasnt gone to the media regularly enough praising the manager, i cant honestly believe your being serious with that?

Nani is on his way out because the manager and staff have apparently had enough of his inconsistency and self indulgence, they think he feels hes better than he is, they also feel his wage demands are over the top, i dont agree personally, but thats how it seems to be, think Nanis agent has said as much in the Portuguese press recently about Nani being undervalued, will try and dig that article up if i an.

 

[Wilmslow Road]

Mario's looking for a Nani for his new baby.

 

[MSP]

Keane never gave a shit tbh but its a totally different situation, Keane when he left was well past his prime and hadn't been a regular or the same player for months previous, Nani hasnt even entered his best years so thats not really a great comparison, your saying Nani is being sold because he hasnt gone to the media regularly enough praising the manager, i cant honestly believe your being serious with that?

It's good comparison as Keane was sidelined and left on the end when he was not very needed, just like Nani was.

And no, I'm not saying that Nani will be sold because he's not praising Ferguson in media, I'm afraid you are taking things too literally, I'm just saying that he has some character left even after being there for some time and that's not winning situation to deal with Ferguson.

He even dares to ask for some more money, imagine that, isn't playing for Man United the best thing that could happen ever even for half of Young's wages :)

So, it's not a wanking over Ferguson in media that's the core of the problem, it's only small part of it, it's not completely turning his bum to the Big Boss that is.

Anyway, I'm glad two of them failed with each other. Nani at his best with van Persie and Rooney would be awful stuff :)

 

[Van Persies left peg]

Keane never gave a shit tbh but its a totally different situation, Keane when he left was well past his prime and hadn't been a regular or the same player for months previous, Nani hasnt even entered his best years so thats not really a great comparison, your saying Nani is being sold because he hasnt gone to the media regularly enough praising the manager, i cant honestly believe your being serious with that?

It's good comparison as Keane was sidelined and left on the end when he was not very needed, just like Nani was.

And no, I'm not saying that Nani will be sold because he's not praising Ferguson in media, I'm afraid you are taking things too literally, I'm just saying that he has some character left even after being there for some time and that's not winning situation to deal with Ferguson.

He even dares to ask for some more money, imagine that, isn't playing for Man United the best thing that could happen ever even for half of Young's wages :)

So, it's not a wanking over Ferguson in media that's the core of the problem, it's only small part of it, it's not completely turning his bum to the Big Boss that is.

Ok, i think thats way off the mark but thats your view so fair enough, but on the contract point, i dont really get what your trying to say? Nanis coming to the end of his contract (18 months left to run), hes about to enter the best years of his career and like every other player on the planet wants a pay rise from his last deal, he signed his last contract when he was 21 years old, a relative rookie who had at the time proven very little, hes now a fully fledged international and has been one of the clubs standout performers, i dont see how thats his 'challenging' the manager or whoever, merely a player wanting more money as he feels hes better than what hes being paid, this happens every year all over the world, and comes back to the reason theres a current issue at the club, he wants 130k a week apparently, we dont think hes worth that, hence the contract stand off and the need to sell him with such a short period left to run on his current deal if hes not going to sign another one.

 

[MSP]

I didn't have a single dig at Nani about his contract, quite opposite :) It was sarcasm, of course he wants more money..

 

[Van Persies left peg]

And yes, we are a weaker team without Nani, hence why i and many United fans dont want to see him go, but our attacking play even without him has been very good and we seem to be more often than not playing systems without 2 conventional wingers these days when the options allow us to, the Kagawa signing makes me think long term we're looking at systems without wingers in, time will tell, the continued use of the diamond also tends to suggest were changing a little, maybe thats behind our view of Nani being 'expendable', many systems weve played this season havnt been based on wing play.<br /><br />-- Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:41 pm --<br /><br />

I didn't have a single dig at Nani about his contract, quite opposite :) It was sarcasm, of course he wants more money..

Ok, thats cleared up then :)