Nationalisation..

city986 said:
Would love to agree this but all you need to look at is the tube so it would end up as a backward step. Just regulate the fuckers properly
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I think you are right. The lack of regulation has allowed privatised industries to become cartels instead of competitive. It's competition that will deliver low bills to the customer.
 
Let’s put ideology aside and imagine you’re in government with a tight budget under hundreds of competing pressures. Not an unheard of situation.

Now, rank these in priority order, bearing in mind you hope to be re-elected:

- NHS expenditure
- Social care
- Nurses’ salaries
- Preserving the value of benefits
- Uprating personal allowances and pensions in line with inflation, and
- Investing in new sewer pipes or railway signals.

Which becomes bottom of the priority list?

Repeat 10 years running.

Result: nationalised industry infrastructure is bolloxed.

That’s exactly what happened previously.
 
malg said:
Well, the Shadow Chancellor said it's happening if they get in. He reckons people are sick of being ripped off. He's not going to pay the market rates to put them back into public ownership.

I can see it being a vote winner with some.

So, what do you reckon? I think there would be a huge legal battle over the price.
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It's a vote winner because theft has been legalised and that sits alright with some people. I can partly see a case for nationalising all the old stuff, but is anyone gonna take a chunk of British Steel, it it still exists, and I would bet an NHS prescription to a Northern Rail Littleborough to Victoria train ticket that it will make absolutely fuck all difference to improving what now exists. My experience of Northern Rail is mixed. My experience of Virgin Rail is very positive. I can see the whole shebang, once nationalised going the way of Northern Rail, on a good day!
 
sir baconface said:
Let’s put ideology aside and imagine you’re in government with a tight budget under hundreds of competing pressures. Not an unheard of situation.

Now, rank these in priority order, bearing in mind you hope to be re-elected:

- NHS expenditure
- Social care
- Nurses’ salaries
- Preserving the value of benefits
- Uprating personal allowances and pensions in line with inflation, and
- Investing in new sewer pipes or railway signals.

Which becomes bottom of the priority list?

Repeat 10 years running.

Result: nationalised industry infrastructure is bolloxed.

That’s exactly what happened previously.
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We subsidise all the industies we sold off, gas, electric, water, rail, we are still using taxes to prop them up while not reaping the rewards in profits to reinvest in the other things you mentioned.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
My experience of Northern Rail is mixed. My experience of Virgin Rail is very positive. I can see the whole shebang, once nationalised going the way of Northern Rail, on a good day!
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I can't comment on Northern Rail but although Virgin Rail provide a pretty good service, the price is absolutely appalling. It simply should not cost anywhere near that to travel. We've got used to being ripped off by transport companies so people just seem to accept the shocking prices.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
I can't comment on Northern Rail but although Virgin Rail provide a pretty good service, the price is absolutely appalling. It simply should not cost anywhere near that to travel. We've got used to being ripped off by transport companies so people just seem to accept the shocking prices.
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Ah, I do have a Senior Railcard so it doesn't seem too bad for me.
 
What I refuse to accept is that just because some nationalised industries were poorly run in the past, that this is an overwhelming argument against nationalisation ad infinitum, as some appear to believe.

Rail network, prisons, and certain utilities should be owned and run by the state. Anything subject to reasonable levels of competition should be in private hands.
 
Yes but you need strong laws in place to keep the trade unions in check to make sure that the profits get reinvested back into the industry/state, or prices come down. No point in doing it if prices stay the same but your local meter reader is getting £50k a year although I'd still rather any excess £ go to the workers rather than the owners.
 
malg said:
Rail, water, gas, electric and Royal Mail.
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Rail - yes 100% and probably the easiest to do

Water, gas and electricity - yes, would be nice but can’t see it happening.

Royal Mail - no, unless it gets an exclusive (cheap) on amazon deliveries. I can’t see a behemoth surviving in the delivery business. There’s so much choice and fragmentation of the market now.

NHS - yes bring back in house all the profit making stuff sold off, ...as you know... it’s like profitable and can therefore subsidise the stuff that can never be profitable - A&E, complicated surgery etc. And so benefit the rest of NHS rather than bleeding off it’s ‘profit’ centres.
 
Oh yes lets do it, I am old enough to remember when we had virtually everything nationalised and it was wonderful. I was going to type more but the nurse is here with my meds, must dash.
 
I think infrastructure and utilities should never have been sold off, we subsidise every one of these via tax so pay for the services multiple times. Gas is gas, electricity is electricity no one sells HDgas competition falsely created in these markets imo.The government want everyone out of their cars and onto public transport but the services are poor at best and in alot of cases it's cheaper to run a car than use it!
 
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