Nationalisation..

gordondaviesmoustache said:
You know Trabant is German for ‘strap-on dildo’?
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Apologies for my brexit uniform but i didn't have time to change ;-)

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sir baconface said:
Let’s put ideology aside and imagine you’re in government with a tight budget under hundreds of competing pressures. Not an unheard of situation.

Now, rank these in priority order, bearing in mind you hope to be re-elected:

- NHS expenditure
- Social care
- Nurses’ salaries
- Preserving the value of benefits
- Uprating personal allowances and pensions in line with inflation, and
- Investing in new sewer pipes or railway signals.

Which becomes bottom of the priority list?

Repeat 10 years running.

Result: nationalised industry infrastructure is bolloxed.

That’s exactly what happened previously.
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Look again .... if the right levels of corporation tax were collected together with the income derived from these privatised companies it should be achievable to run these renationalised companies on a not for profit basis ... with a focus on service / value for money and customer care.

Don't forget .... if the companies don't make a profit the greedy bastards just hand them back ...
 
Tuearts right boot said:
Could be a good thing but you would have to chain the unions down. Them fuckers would be walking out over tea breaks again. Some on here will remember the good old days of power cuts, 3 day weeks, strikes, no refuse collection etc etc. Took a woman to sort it out.
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This is one of the biggest untruths that have ever been spread about the UK.

Even at heights in the 1970s, this country lost fewer days to strikes per population than the ultra capitalist, anti union USA. And the 3 day week was under a Tory government. Heaths incomes policy also encouraged inflation due to wage growth and was a disaster, then you had the oil crisis when the OPEC countries raised the price.

That woman took over a growing economy and ruined manufacturing and we are now seeing why it was such a fucking idiotic idea to do that. You can blame that woman for putting us in such a weak position to negotiate on Brexit, as we have fuck all industry left....thanks to her and her idiotic handbag economics.

The Labour party made some mistakes too in the 70s, with its bailouts of Chrysler, especially as British Leyland was its competitor, that was stupidity and a mistake made by one of my hero's Mr Tony Benn, but it pisses me off that its always the workers who get the blame when really it was a failure of management and a failure of government.

I would nationalise all infrastructure, all utilities and even have a nationalised investment bank. If you doubt this just ask yourself one question and its this. Why were roads never privatised? If privatisation was that good and that necessary then roads surely would be better off in the private sector. But they are not because vast swathes of the nation need roads and own cars and its vote loser.
 
I have read Labour will nationalise but where is their implementation plan on how it will work or be funded?

A lot of saying but not much doing. It will all end in tears.
 
Rascal said:
This is one of the biggest untruths that have ever been spread about the UK.

Even at heights in the 1970s, this country lost fewer days to strikes per population than the ultra capitalist, anti union USA. And the 3 day week was under a Tory government. Heaths incomes policy also encouraged inflation due to wage growth and was a disaster, then you had the oil crisis when the OPEC countries raised the price.

That woman took over a growing economy and ruined manufacturing and we are now seeing why it was such a fucking idiotic idea to do that. You can blame that woman for putting us in such a weak position to negotiate on Brexit, as we have fuck all industry left....thanks to her and her idiotic handbag economics.

The Labour party made some mistakes too in the 70s, with its bailouts of Chrysler, especially as British Leyland was its competitor, that was stupidity and a mistake made by one of my hero's Mr Tony Benn, but it pisses me off that its always the workers who get the blame when really it was a failure of management and a failure of government.

I would nationalise all infrastructure, all utilities and even have a nationalised investment bank. If you doubt this just ask yourself one question and its this. Why were roads never privatised? If privatisation was that good and that necessary then roads surely would be better off in the private sector. But they are not because vast swathes of the nation need roads and own cars and its vote loser.
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A growing economy in the 70's......This country was on its knees....... I've only got your word for that as I've no actual figures but thanks to weak management and strong unions our car industry, manufactoring industry, motor bikes, heavy plant etc etc. The communist republic of Longbridge, BL, was a laughing stock, our ships were too expensive. Folks would turn up to work then down tools, usually on a monday. Industry was decimated long before that woman sorted it out. The damage was done way before she arrived.
 
Rascal said:
This is one of the biggest untruths that have ever been spread about the UK.

Even at heights in the 1970s, this country lost fewer days to strikes per population than the ultra capitalist, anti union USA. And the 3 day week was under a Tory government. Heaths incomes policy also encouraged inflation due to wage growth and was a disaster, then you had the oil crisis when the OPEC countries raised the price.

That woman took over a growing economy and ruined manufacturing and we are now seeing why it was such a fucking idiotic idea to do that. You can blame that woman for putting us in such a weak position to negotiate on Brexit, as we have fuck all industry left....thanks to her and her idiotic handbag economics.

The Labour party made some mistakes too in the 70s, with its bailouts of Chrysler, especially as British Leyland was its competitor, that was stupidity and a mistake made by one of my hero's Mr Tony Benn, but it pisses me off that its always the workers who get the blame when really it was a failure of management and a failure of government.

I would nationalise all infrastructure, all utilities and even have a nationalised investment bank. If you doubt this just ask yourself one question and its this. Why were roads never privatised? If privatisation was that good and that necessary then roads surely would be better off in the private sector. But they are not because vast swathes of the nation need roads and own cars and its vote loser.
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So you’d be confident with Bozza or Jezza ultimately making the commercial and investment decisions?
 
sir baconface said:
So you’d be confident with Bozza or Jezza ultimately making the commercial and investment decisions?
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It is evident , when we took East coast rail back into public ownership in 2018 that the state could turn a profit at running a railway (we made £90 million) thing is tho.... Virgin and Stagecoach were supposed to pay £2 billion for that franchise and were let off by their mates in Government


Food banks anyone?


https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/4...+privatisation+lies+at+the+root+of+rail+chaos
 
Stuuuuuu said:
I can't comment on Northern Rail but although Virgin Rail provide a pretty good service, the price is absolutely appalling. It simply should not cost anywhere near that to travel. We've got used to being ripped off by transport companies so people just seem to accept the shocking prices.
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People are so blasé about money in this country. They wouldn’t stand in front of a grid and pour pound coins down it for minutes on end, but they may as well.

It’s the same with football. So many people defend football clubs for the prices they charge, many people never got involved in the FSF’s “Twenty Is Plenty” campaign and never moved a muscle in getting way tickets capped at £30. People have got so used to City taking the piss with ticket prices going up every year that they just see it as a normal thing but then wonder why we don’t sell out Wembley for the Community Shield or FA Cup semis.

It’s the same with everything. I don’t know what it is about people in this country but many just pull their pants down and bend over ready for people to give them a right seeing to up the ricker when it comes to money. Food, travel costs, gas electric water, tax, insurance... they don’t say or do owt about it and just pay the rises like they’re a fact of life.
 
Thread title should properly be Renationalization - all the targets are intended to be brought back into public ownership. Question is how to avoid the same problems that led to their earlier demise.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Look again .... if the right levels of corporation tax were collected together with the income derived from these privatised companies it should be achievable to run these renationalised companies on a not for profit basis ... with a focus on service / value for money and customer care.

Don't forget .... if the companies don't make a profit the greedy bastards just hand them back ...
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The question shouldn't be lets nationalise and just make a profit or not make a profit because who gives a toss.

Labour are spouting stuff about profit/loss etc but what is the plan for a functional rail network? Who will run it? How will it be organised? How will it be funded? When will Labour say HOW they will implement these nationalisations considering the state does not own a single national asset to operate them?!

Who even has the competence in Labour to run and implement a rail network? The last time I looked none of them had ever worked a proper job in their lives. They are all privately educated and beyond that have been immersed in council/union cushty jobs doing sod all prior to their political careers.

None of them have a single clue, they are totally devoid of any ideas beyond chucking money left, right and centre which means it might run but who knows and it will definitely start off at a massive loss. Reality will then hit home and the service will degrade and all you will get is a shrug of the shoulders because the unions are on strike as they want more money.

When you look at how Brexit is being handled by the Tories or how anti-Semitism in Labour is being handled... Why should we trust any of these morons to run a bath let alone some of the most important infrastructure of the country??! I would rather pay TENFOLD the amount compared to the lights going off, the trains being late or god forbid them putting our taxes up to clean up their incompetent mess.

The current situation isn't perfect but the alternative would be a total disaster and to say otherwise is idealistic foolishness at best.
 
inbetween said:
The question shouldn't be lets nationalise and just make a profit or not make a profit because who gives a toss.

Labour are spouting stuff about profit/loss etc but what is the plan for a functional rail network? Who will run it? How will it be organised? How will it be funded? When will Labour say HOW they will implement these nationalisations considering the state does not own a single national asset to operate them?!

Who even has the competence in Labour to run and implement a rail network? The last time I looked none of them had ever worked a proper job in their lives. They are all privately educated and beyond that have been immersed in council/union cushty jobs doing sod all prior to their political careers.

None of them have a single clue, they are totally devoid of any ideas beyond chucking money left, right and centre which means it might run but who knows and it will definitely start off at a massive loss. Reality will then hit home and the service will degrade and all you will get is a shrug of the shoulders because the unions are on strike as they want more money.

When you look at how Brexit is being handled by the Tories or how anti-Semitism in Labour is being handled... Why should we trust any of these morons to run a bath let alone some of the most important infrastructure of the country??! I would rather pay TENFOLD the amount compared to the lights going off, the trains being late or god forbid them putting our taxes up to clean up their incompetent mess.

The current situation isn't perfect but the alternative would be a total disaster and to say otherwise is idealistic foolishness at best.
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Having worked on the railway for 26 years, I can only say that what was once a coherent and cohesive system when nationalised, and was run in the interests of the nation, has become something quite different.
Not every aspect of privatisation has been negative, of course, however, on balance I would prefer BRITISH RAIL to Branson rail (sic).
 
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