Nedum Onuoha

[bluwes]

To be honest, I imagine most people just vacate threads when you lot start trying to demean and tear each other apart. There are two groups of three or four that just kill threads, it starts out on point, but then get derailed into "I'm right and you're wrong". People aren't interested.

This exactly.Someone's needed to say it for a while.It's like a gang of sixth form bullies that run the show at times all trying to outscore each other with daft quotes.
It's a football forum,not fucking question time at the House of commons!!

This......... all they are interested in are their own views and everyone else is wrong. This board has gone downhill considerably over recent weeks.

 

[robbieh]

This exactly.Someone's needed to say it for a while.It's like a gang of sixth form bullies that run the show at times all trying to outscore each other with daft quotes.
It's a football forum,not fucking question time at the House of commons!!

Polite suggestion then:

Find one of the other 85,000 threads on Bluemoon.

To be fair DD, you will have infected quite a few of those too.

 

[Anonymous]

What lynch mob is that. You and DD come on here using any news story to slag off the manager, thanks to Nedum you have a new lease of life. Before that it was SI, Tevez, Bellamy and various unsubstantiated rumours that Mancini was to be sacked and God to be brought in to replace him.

In case it had escaped your attention, this a messageboard about MCFC. Players, managers, tactics, will all get discussed and slagged off. I politely suggest that you have a think about that. Especially considering what I've posted in response to your point below.

JC and myself and plenty of others just respond to your Mancini sniping. We are not carrying out a witch hunt. And for god's sake why is your skin so desperately thin?

Calling me boring and deluded. Posting asinine pictures of religious images. Questioning my loyalty to the club I've supported all my life because my opinion doesn't agree with yours. All things you've done, and encouraged in the last few months. My skin is plenty thick boy, and I've shit bigger problems than you and JC. However, if you think I'm going to sit back and allow you to continue this very very personal and unnecessary grudge you have against me, you're as deluded as you accused me of being.

Here's a thought for you. If you don't like the things I post, foe me. Then you don't have to worry about getting so wound up that you feel the need to openly abuse and belittle me. In short, move on, and take your god bothering boyfriend with you.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Polite suggestion then:

Find one of the other 85,000 threads on Bluemoon.

To be fair DD, you will have infected quite a few of those too.

To be almost immediately followed by you on pretty much every post.

 

[m27]

My first post on this very good thread. Here goes....

1) As 1_Barry_Conlon posted earlier, whilst it is always great to achieve great things with your own homegrown players, our excellent production line has got us the grand total of sweet fuck all in 34 years (my lifetime) so the reaction to us getting rid of our 'local' lads may well be a bit OTT.

2) Ned has clearly been told by Mancini that he is not in his plans. Whilst sad, this is football. He's technically a better defender than Richards, Kompany and Zab and I'd rather he stayed, but Mancini's in charge and that's his decision. So, whilst I think Mancini is wrong on this one because Ned would probably be more than happy to provide back-up and be a good profesional, this doesn't excuse him going on national telly and airing his grievances. Keep it in-house.

3) Bellamy should shut his mouth and show some respect.

4) I've said it before and I'll say it again, whilst Mancini has clearly made mistakes during his time here, the players are coming across as spoilt little whinging backbiters and it seems even Ned, one of the most intelligent footballers you will ever care to meet, has now caught the bug. They're all acting like women in an office with all their sniping and I'm getting pretty sick of it to be honest. It's a shame we haven't got a true leader in the dressing room because I think this would have been nipped in the bud by now.

5) Serious question for the lads with a bit of inside knowledge......what exactly do the players want done differently? Mancini's been straight with Ned and told him he doesn't rate him. What's the problem? I don't agree with that but it's subjective. Ned has to deal with it and move on. It seems to be a much fairer way of dealing with players than Benitez who just ignores the ones he doesn't rate. What the fuck does Lescott want Mancini to do? Risk him when he certainly won't be match fit? What does Ireland want Mancini to do? Mould a side around him when it's clear him and Tevez have problems playing together?

I honestly don't get all this. I very nearly made it at sport but had to accept at 21 years of age it wasn't going to happen. I was bitter and angry and it didn't help that I had people telling me I was good enough and a mistake had been made. If I was in Ned's postion I could well have done the same to air my grievances and thrown all the criticism I could at the person who ultimately made the decision to discredit his opinion and ability to spot a player.

However, that wouldn't have made me right. It would have just made me feel better, but it wouldn't change anything and life goes on. Just because Ned's an intelligent and rational thinking lad does not mean he won't hit out at all and sundry when he think he's been wronged.

 

[robbieh]

To be fair DD, you will have infected quite a few of those too.

To be almost immediately followed by you on pretty much every post.

That's true. You come on slag off Mancini at every opportunity. I come on an defend him. I feel duty bound. I don't have a personal grudge against you, Billy, PB. I just feel compelled to support a perfectly good manager. Just in case the powers that be are looking in on us and get the impression that everyone thinks Mancini is incompetent. They don't and he isn't.

 

[Anonymous]

My first post on this very good thread. Here goes....

1) As 1_Barry_Conlon posted earlier, whilst it is always great to achieve great things with your own homegrown players, our excellent production line has got us the grand total of sweet fuck all in 34 years (my lifetime) so the reaction to us getting rid of our 'local' lads may well be a bit OTT.

2) Ned has clearly been told by Mancini that he is not in his plans. Whilst sad, this is football. He's technically a better defender than Richards, Kompany and Zab and I'd rather he stayed, but Mancini's in charge and that's his decision. So, whilst I think Mancini is wrong on this one because Ned would probably be more than happy to provide back-up and be a good profesional, this doesn't excuse him going on national telly and airing his grievances. Keep it in-house.

3) Bellamy should shut his mouth and show some respect.

4) I've said it before and I'll say it again, whilst Mancini has clearly made mistakes during his time here, the players are coming across as spoilt little whinging backbiters and it seems even Ned, one of the most intelligent footballers you will ever care to meet, has now caught the bug. They're all acting like women in an office with all their sniping and I'm getting pretty sick of it to be honest. It's a shame we haven't got a true leader in the dressing room because I think this would have been nipped in the bud by now.

5) Serious question for the lads with a bit of inside knowledge......what exactly do the players want done differently? Mancini's been straight with Ned and told him he doesn't rate him. What's the problem? I don't agree with that but it's subjective. Ned has to deal with it and move on. It seems to be a much fairer way of dealing with players than Benitez who just ignores the ones he doesn't rate. What the fuck does Lescott want Mancini to do? Risk him when he certainly won't be match fit? What does Ireland want Mancini to do? Mould a side around him when it's clear him and Tevez have problems playing together?

I honestly don't get all this. I very nearly made it at sport but had to accept at 21 years of age it wasn't going to happen. I was bitter and angry and it didn't help that I had people telling me I was good enough and a mistake had been made. If I was in Ned's postion I could well have done the same to air my grievances and thrown all the criticism I could at the person who ultimately made the decision to discredit his opinion and ability to spot a player.

However, that wouldn't have made me right. It would have just made me feel better, but it wouldn't change anything and life goes on. Just because Ned's an intelligent and rational thinking lad does not mean he won't hit out at all and sundry when he think he's been wronged.

Best post of the thread so far; I salute you (and that is not meant at all sarcastically by the way).

 

[Anonymous]

To be almost immediately followed by you on pretty much every post.

That's true. You come on slag off Mancini at every opportunity. I come on an defend him. I feel duty bound. I don't have a personal grudge against you, Billy, PB. I just feel compelled to support a perfectly good manager. Just in case the powers that be are looking in on us and get the impression that everyone thinks Mancini is incompetent. They don't and he isn't.

That's fine, but everyone won't agree with you. I don't expect you to agree with the things I post. Hell, there are plenty of people who have similar views to you who have by engaging in some sort of discussion made me think twice about some of the things I post. But if you just fucking snipe, then you're hardly going to be adding to the discussion are you...

Just a read of m27's post above. He totally disagrees with much of what I say, and yet he's managed to do it without the personal attacks, the snide little "you're boring and deluded" comments. He's done it without resorting to suggesting that I have an anti-Mancini agenda. He's just stated his points.

Regarding the comment "Just in case the powers that be are looking in on us and get the impression that everyone thinks Mancini is incompetent" - the vast majority of this board loves the Italian. Anyone who reads Bluemoon would acknowledge that. That includes people from the club itself...

 

[levets]

not wanting to give too much credence to yet another version of events that will never be verified..... if 'not quick enough' means 'doesn't react fast enough', I'd more or less agree with the sentiment.

Thats exactly what Mancini means.... and he's spot on!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

My first post on this very good thread. Here goes....

1) As 1_Barry_Conlon posted earlier, whilst it is always great to achieve great things with your own homegrown players, our excellent production line has got us the grand total of sweet fuck all in 34 years (my lifetime) so the reaction to us getting rid of our 'local' lads may well be a bit OTT.

2) Ned has clearly been told by Mancini that he is not in his plans. Whilst sad, this is football. He's technically a better defender than Richards, Kompany and Zab and I'd rather he stayed, but Mancini's in charge and that's his decision. So, whilst I think Mancini is wrong on this one because Ned would probably be more than happy to provide back-up and be a good profesional, this doesn't excuse him going on national telly and airing his grievances. Keep it in-house.

3) Bellamy should shut his mouth and show some respect.

4) I've said it before and I'll say it again, whilst Mancini has clearly made mistakes during his time here, the players are coming across as spoilt little whinging backbiters and it seems even Ned, one of the most intelligent footballers you will ever care to meet, has now caught the bug. They're all acting like women in an office with all their sniping and I'm getting pretty sick of it to be honest. It's a shame we haven't got a true leader in the dressing room because I think this would have been nipped in the bud by now.

5) Serious question for the lads with a bit of inside knowledge......what exactly do the players want done differently? Mancini's been straight with Ned and told him he doesn't rate him. What's the problem? I don't agree with that but it's subjective. Ned has to deal with it and move on. It seems to be a much fairer way of dealing with players than Benitez who just ignores the ones he doesn't rate. What the fuck does Lescott want Mancini to do? Risk him when he certainly won't be match fit? What does Ireland want Mancini to do? Mould a side around him when it's clear him and Tevez have problems playing together?

I honestly don't get all this. I very nearly made it at sport but had to accept at 21 years of age it wasn't going to happen. I was bitter and angry and it didn't help that I had people telling me I was good enough and a mistake had been made. If I was in Ned's postion I could well have done the same to air my grievances and thrown all the criticism I could at the person who ultimately made the decision to discredit his opinion and ability to spot a player.

However, that wouldn't have made me right. It would have just made me feel better, but it wouldn't change anything and life goes on. Just because Ned's an intelligent and rational thinking lad does not mean he won't hit out at all and sundry when he think he's been wronged.

Good post as usual, m27.

I agree with some of it.

I also think NEdum is good enough and will be sad to see him go.

To answer your "serious question", it appears to me with my small amount of insight to the dressing room, that all these players have their own personal issues with the manager. But the common denominator seems to be communication.

If a couple of fringe players are whingeing, that's just football.

But when significant numbers are doing it, you end up with an unhappy dressing room and an underperforming squad.

It frightens me to death that so many good players do not like him.

If I was happy with what I could see on the field and with the decisions he was making, I could live with it I suppose.

But the whole picture frightens me to fucking death.

I know you are brighter than the blind Manciobots, m27, and I respect your opinion. You should know now that I love MCFC with my whole heart. And if I like someone or something, I'll say it, and if I don't, I will.

The angry bees are going to go mad at this but you know what I think?

When Peirce was in charge I didn't rate him from day one. The reason was I didn't think he was intelligent enough to manage a premier league club. You need to be a really clever man these days to do the job, no doubt. Chest-beating thickos end up in division 2.

I think Mancini is all style and very little substance. I don't think he's clever enough to manage an English team in the volatile environment City have. I don't think he's a strong enough leader or a good enough communicator.

All he ever fucking says is "it eez imprtant that we play well" or "it eez imprtant that we score".

Ancellotti and Capello have worst English than him but there is substance to what they say. There is no substance to what Mancini says, ever. I'm sure he's honest, I'm sure he's decent, he's a handsome man and he sure as hell was a good player.

I think he's riding on the back of that and he is going to be found out at City this year. The only thing he did right for us was tightening up at the back. I saw nothing else on the pitch to convince me he could make City into winners.