Neilton, dubbed 'the new Neymar'

[johnmc]

Yes, hence the word 'new' you've just used..

However if you actually think Neymar is 'new' you're even more delusional than you appear. He was on the verge of signing for Madrid some 7 years ago as a 14 year old having impressed in youth trials. He has been representing Brazil for 5 years at various levels.

He isn't 'new'.

Any player worth his salt proves themselves in Europe. He's new to Europe. He's 21. Name me a player in the last 20 years to be considered one of the worlds best who didnt prove themselves in Europe. Actually anyone since pele.

Also look at the other people that players are often referred to as the new version. Zidane, Viera, Maradonna, Pele etc etc. if you think Neymar is in that category already you are more delusional than you appear.

So now you're putting forward that for any player to be 'worth his salt' he has to have 'proved' himself in Europe?

By this I take it you mean the CL?

By this reckoning there are hardly any players in our current squad (a squad full of internationals and premier league winners) who aren't 'worth their salt'.

Jesper Blomqvist, Ronny Johnsen and Nicky Butt must be 'worth their salt' and must have 'made a name for themselves' being the Champions League winners they are (all 3 played in the 1999 final).

Nicky Butt has made more of a name for himself than Neymar.

Put your spade back in the shed mate.

Ha. Missing the point. Like I said name any player to be crowned the worlds best, or even in top 3, who didnt play in Europe in the last 30 years. He has to prove himself in Europe before he is considered one of the best in order to have the honour of having players called the new Neymar.

Never heard any one say he's the new nicky butt or new Jesper blomquist? What that about?

I didnt mention the champions league either?? I said anyone worth their salt is a success in Europe. So Aguero for example is a success. Not because he has won what he has but because he has proven over several years in the two best leagues that he is one of the best.

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

I say he will do well but has to do it first.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Through the months in the press we have had players labelled the next Neymar ......the next Zidane and the next Ronaldo ....how come we never had the next Tony Grant ?

 

[Petetheblu]

Through the months in the press we have had players labelled the next Neymar ......the next Zidane and the next Ronaldo ....how come we never had the next Tony Grant ?

Or even the next Tony Hadley, how wonderful would it be to have a big hansom, 6 foot defender flying in to nod home a well worked goal, slide on his knees in celebration whilst singing "gold".

It was this sort of thing I was hoping to see when Prince took over, imagine my disapointment when it turned out he wasn't really the 'real' Prince from the 80's, who had hits like "when doves cry" and was infact just some multi trillionaire prince from Abu Dhabi.

My 80 year old mother made a made a similar mistake when she miss heard "Khaldoon" for Val Doonican, the 70' irish folk singer.......I had to empty her catheter bag twice before I could pluck up the courage to tell her!

 

[Stoned Rose]

Any player worth his salt proves themselves in Europe. He's new to Europe. He's 21. Name me a player in the last 20 years to be considered one of the worlds best who didnt prove themselves in Europe. Actually anyone since pele.

Also look at the other people that players are often referred to as the new version. Zidane, Viera, Maradonna, Pele etc etc. if you think Neymar is in that category already you are more delusional than you appear.

So now you're putting forward that for any player to be 'worth his salt' he has to have 'proved' himself in Europe?

By this I take it you mean the CL?

By this reckoning there are hardly any players in our current squad (a squad full of internationals and premier league winners) who aren't 'worth their salt'.

Jesper Blomqvist, Ronny Johnsen and Nicky Butt must be 'worth their salt' and must have 'made a name for themselves' being the Champions League winners they are (all 3 played in the 1999 final).

Nicky Butt has made more of a name for himself than Neymar.

Put your spade back in the shed mate.

Ha. Missing the point. Like I said name any player to be crowned the worlds best, or even in top 3, who didnt play in Europe in the last 30 years. He has to prove himself in Europe before he is considered one of the best in order to have the honour of having players called the new Neymar.

Never heard any one say he's the new nicky butt or new Jesper blomquist? What that about?

I didnt mention the champions league either?? I said anyone worth their salt is a success in Europe. So Aguero for example is a success. Not because he has won what he has but because he has proven over several years in the two best leagues that he is one of the best.

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

I say he will do well but has to do it first.

I'm not 'missing the point' because your 'point' is all over the place and being swapped and changed to meet your aim.

You now seem to have descended into basing your 'point' around 'being the world's best or in the top 3'.

Read the original posts and you'll see we were talking about Neymar 'making a name for himself'. At no point were we debating whether he is in the top 3, top 10, top 50 or whatever else.

You are also at various points using the phrase 'worth his salt'. This is a vague term to say the least.

Then you say in order to be 'worth his salt a player' has to have 'proved himself' in Europe.

You then go on to say 'Europe' doesn't mean/include the CL, but is actually about simply playing well in more than one European league. You then mention Aguero as your 'example' of this, but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the last couple of CLs has he?

You then say

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

This emphatically underlines your lack of understanding. We are not discussing whether he is or will be a 'success', we are discussing him being a 'name'.

He is definitely a 'name', and one of the biggest currently.

Let's just agree to disagree mate?

 

[forevermancity]

So now you're putting forward that for any player to be 'worth his salt' he has to have 'proved' himself in Europe?

By this I take it you mean the CL?

By this reckoning there are hardly any players in our current squad (a squad full of internationals and premier league winners) who aren't 'worth their salt'.

Jesper Blomqvist, Ronny Johnsen and Nicky Butt must be 'worth their salt' and must have 'made a name for themselves' being the Champions League winners they are (all 3 played in the 1999 final).

Nicky Butt has made more of a name for himself than Neymar.

Put your spade back in the shed mate.

Ha. Missing the point. Like I said name any player to be crowned the worlds best, or even in top 3, who didnt play in Europe in the last 30 years. He has to prove himself in Europe before he is considered one of the best in order to have the honour of having players called the new Neymar.

Never heard any one say he's the new nicky butt or new Jesper blomquist? What that about?

I didnt mention the champions league either?? I said anyone worth their salt is a success in Europe. So Aguero for example is a success. Not because he has won what he has but because he has proven over several years in the two best leagues that he is one of the best.

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

I say he will do well but has to do it first.

I'm not 'missing the point' because your 'point' is all over the place and being swapped and changed to meet your aim.

You now seem to have descended into basing your 'point' around 'being the world's best or in the top 3'.

Read the original posts and you'll see we were talking about Neymar 'making a name for himself'. At no point were we debating whether he is in the top 3, top 10, top 50 or whatever else.

You are also at various points using the phrase 'worth his salt'. This is a vague term to say the least.

Then you say in order to be 'worth his salt a player' has to have 'proved himself' in Europe.

You then go on to say 'Europe' doesn't mean/include the CL, but is actually about simply playing well in more than one European league. You then mention Aguero as your 'example' of this, but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the last couple of CLs has he?

You then say

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

This emphatically underlines your lack of understanding. We are not discussing whether he is or will be a 'success', we are discussing him being a 'name'.

He is definitely a 'name', and one of the biggest currently.

Let's just agree to disagree mate?

Keep digging yourself a hole mate!

 

[Stoned Rose]

Ha. Missing the point. Like I said name any player to be crowned the worlds best, or even in top 3, who didnt play in Europe in the last 30 years. He has to prove himself in Europe before he is considered one of the best in order to have the honour of having players called the new Neymar.

Never heard any one say he's the new nicky butt or new Jesper blomquist? What that about?

I didnt mention the champions league either?? I said anyone worth their salt is a success in Europe. So Aguero for example is a success. Not because he has won what he has but because he has proven over several years in the two best leagues that he is one of the best.

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

I say he will do well but has to do it first.

I'm not 'missing the point' because your 'point' is all over the place and being swapped and changed to meet your aim.

You now seem to have descended into basing your 'point' around 'being the world's best or in the top 3'.

Read the original posts and you'll see we were talking about Neymar 'making a name for himself'. At no point were we debating whether he is in the top 3, top 10, top 50 or whatever else.

You are also at various points using the phrase 'worth his salt'. This is a vague term to say the least.

Then you say in order to be 'worth his salt a player' has to have 'proved himself' in Europe.

You then go on to say 'Europe' doesn't mean/include the CL, but is actually about simply playing well in more than one European league. You then mention Aguero as your 'example' of this, but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the last couple of CLs has he?

You then say

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

This emphatically underlines your lack of understanding. We are not discussing whether he is or will be a 'success', we are discussing him being a 'name'.

He is definitely a 'name', and one of the biggest currently.

Let's just agree to disagree mate?

Keep digging yourself a hole mate!

 

[spinzer]

Thought this was about Neilton, not Neymar...

 

[AgüeroKun]

3. Is Barcelona's (yes that's Barcelona) big name signing this summer. Neymar's transfer fee was €57 million (£48.6m) (making him the 9th overall highest transfer of all time) and his release clause was set at €190 million.

7. Won the FIFA Confederations Cup Bronze Shoe this year

8, Was selected for the FIFA Confederations Cup Dream Team this year.

You're right he's done fuck all, the big clubs aren't interested and he definitely hasn't made a name for himself.

3 I thought all of barca's signings have big release clauses so other clubs don't try to buy them. Hell Busquets has a high release clause while obviously not being worth that much. 7 is all right, not that great. 8 lol. You're right mate he has made a name for himself as mostly everyone knows of him. However in all honesty he has done fuck all to deserve it.

 

[johnmc]

So now you're putting forward that for any player to be 'worth his salt' he has to have 'proved' himself in Europe?

By this I take it you mean the CL?

By this reckoning there are hardly any players in our current squad (a squad full of internationals and premier league winners) who aren't 'worth their salt'.

Jesper Blomqvist, Ronny Johnsen and Nicky Butt must be 'worth their salt' and must have 'made a name for themselves' being the Champions League winners they are (all 3 played in the 1999 final).

Nicky Butt has made more of a name for himself than Neymar.

Put your spade back in the shed mate.

Ha. Missing the point. Like I said name any player to be crowned the worlds best, or even in top 3, who didnt play in Europe in the last 30 years. He has to prove himself in Europe before he is considered one of the best in order to have the honour of having players called the new Neymar.

Never heard any one say he's the new nicky butt or new Jesper blomquist? What that about?

I didnt mention the champions league either?? I said anyone worth their salt is a success in Europe. So Aguero for example is a success. Not because he has won what he has but because he has proven over several years in the two best leagues that he is one of the best.

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

I say he will do well but has to do it first.

I'm not 'missing the point' because your 'point' is all over the place and being swapped and changed to meet your aim.

You now seem to have descended into basing your 'point' around 'being the world's best or in the top 3'.

Read the original posts and you'll see we were talking about Neymar 'making a name for himself'. At no point were we debating whether he is in the top 3, top 10, top 50 or whatever else.

You are also at various points using the phrase 'worth his salt'. This is a vague term to say the least.

Then you say in order to be 'worth his salt a player' has to have 'proved himself' in Europe.

You then go on to say 'Europe' doesn't mean/include the CL, but is actually about simply playing well in more than one European league. You then mention Aguero as your 'example' of this, but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the last couple of CLs has he?

You then say

So if Neymar doesn't do well at Barca, goes back to Brazil and breaks all the South American records you would class him a success? Yes or no.

This emphatically underlines your lack of understanding. We are not discussing whether he is or will be a 'success', we are discussing him being a 'name'.

He is definitely a 'name', and one of the biggest currently.

Let's just agree to disagree mate?

Think we are crossed purposes pal. I'm saying he doesn't deserve to have people being called the new Neymar. He hasn't done enough for that. You are saying he has made a name for himself and obviously I'd agree with that.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I see Neymar is still shit and still unable to make a name for himself.

Might be getting towards 'worth his salt' territory though ;)

(Might be worth moving to general form mods?)