'New Football Structure'

[SWP's back]

We also let a very important player and part of our 'system' NDJ go and really didn't replace him. (As a side note I believe this is a big reason why we aren't as solid this year and are conceeding more chances).

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.<br /><br />-- Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:24 pm --<br /><br />

In a cash sense not arsed, in a manager sense, arsed. The owners have erm cash, so to write a few Mil off is not gonna break the bank now is it?

No but you have FFP to consider and while it might be possible to afford a change in manager it's 20 million we can't spend elsewhere at least in the short term. So there are implications.

Yes i understand the ffp thing and yes 20mil is a chunk, but imho if it came to it the owners would rather have a top signing as in manager than a top signing on the pitch as the players will follow, if you know what i mean. By the way, i hope and pray that Bobby gets it right and we can all ride off into the sunset happy, i really really do as i do the same with Ballo etc, but i just have a feeling that all is not well, whether it be with Marwood and all will become well after he fuks off or it is with Bobby and his managerial skills i don't know, but again all is not well.
Before anyone starts i know we are 2nd, unbeaten and champions but again, there is something not quite right at our club.

WHy would they offer a FIVE (ie very long and not the usual 2 or 3 year contract) only to change their mind 5 inutes later.

It would make zero sense.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.

He played in 21 league games last year. 14 'starts'. That's quite a contribution in my book.

You seriously dont think we miss NDJ's defensive qualities?

Please enlighten me on our current (and ongoing) giving to many chances away and being overrun in midfield situation then................

 

[Blue Heaven]

With the ink not yet dry on a 5 year contract I don't think he will be bothered at all.

In a cash sense not arsed, in a manager sense, arsed. The owners have erm cash, so to write a few Mil off is not gonna break the bank now is it?

No but you have FFP to consider and while it might be possible to afford a change in manager it's 20 million we can't spend elsewhere at least in the short term. So there are implications.

At the conclusion of this season, Mancini will have 28 million left on his contract, but if he's sacked, he will be able to negotiate a settlement (severance) for 8 million or so. If he doesn't accept that, he can have the entire 28 million, but he won't be able to take another football position for the four years remaining on his contract.

I believe UEFA FFP has a category for exceptional expenses, whatever that is. Whether or not that applies to a manager's contract buyout is not clear to me.

 

[Blue Heaven]

The issue of the 5 year contract is a red-herring. Anyone working under such a contract has a duty to mitigate their losses. In other words to find a new job as soon as possible. If they don't then the former employer does not have to pay the full value of the outstanding contract term. If we were to sack Mancini he'll probably end up without around 12-18 months worth of salary.

The question that the announcement raised in my eyes was who does Mancini now report to; the CEO or Director of Football?

Nice to see someone who has a good handle on this. I think you're exactly right about the amount of a settlement, as it is in line with recent similar situations.

I'm sure Mancini will report, like Marwood, to Txiki. Giving him, or anyone else, an organizational flow-chart end-around Txiki to Soriano would be muddying the waters.

 

[SWP's back]

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.

He played in 21 league games last year. 14 'starts'. That's quite a contribution in my book.

You seriously dont think we miss NDJ's defensive qualities?

Please enlighten me on our current (and ongoing) giving to many chances away and being overrun in midfield situation then................

Yes 14 starts, less game time than AJ.

He also missed the first 8 or 9 games last season and we were not conceding chances in the same manner as this year so that is a definite misnomer.

Yes, I seriously dont think we miss his defensive capabilities. I do think we are missing Garcia's though and we missed Barry at the start of the season, since he cam back, we have won 4 out of 4, scoring 8 and conceding 2.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.

He played in 21 league games last year. 14 'starts'. That's quite a contribution in my book.

You seriously dont think we miss NDJ's defensive qualities?

Please enlighten me on our current (and ongoing) giving to many chances away and being overrun in midfield situation then................

I have to agree with SR here. Until Garcia can heal and get up to speed, our back line seems horribly exposed far too often. I think Mancini ultimately changed his mind and wanted to keep NDJ, but was overruled by ownership because of FFP considerations. A mistake, IMHO.

 

[SWP's back]

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.

He played in 21 league games last year. 14 'starts'. That's quite a contribution in my book.

You seriously dont think we miss NDJ's defensive qualities?

Please enlighten me on our current (and ongoing) giving to many chances away and being overrun in midfield situation then................

I have to agree with SR here. Until Garcia can heal and get up to speed, our back line seems horribly exposed far too often. I think Mancini ultimately changed his mind and wanted to keep NDJ, but was overruled by ownership because of FFP considerations. A mistake, IMHO.

Read my reply to him. We have stopped conceding since Barry has come back (in the league)

 

[coleridge]

The issue of the 5 year contract is a red-herring. Anyone working under such a contract has a duty to mitigate their losses. In other words to find a new job as soon as possible. If they don't then the former employer does not have to pay the full value of the outstanding contract term. If we were to sack Mancini he'll probably end up without around 12-18 months worth of salary.

The question that the announcement raised in my eyes was who does Mancini now report to; the CEO or Director of Football?

Nice to see someone who has a good handle on this. I think you're exactly right about the amount of a settlement, as it is in line with recent similar situations.

I'm sure Mancini will report, like Marwood, to Txiki. Giving him, or anyone else, an organizational flow-chart end-around Txiki to Soriano would be muddying the waters.

The Spanish [including the Catalans for this purpose] take water-muddying to an artform only matched by the Italians. That's why Bobby and the Barca boys will get on fine, whatever the outcome. They can even go to Mass together. Anyone who has lived in one of these two countries [like me] would agree. British footballing culture has, most probably, now left MCFC forever. Don't know what to make of the latter but there it is.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Not sure his 14 starts last seasons agrees with that mate.

He played in 21 league games last year. 14 'starts'. That's quite a contribution in my book.

You seriously dont think we miss NDJ's defensive qualities?

Please enlighten me on our current (and ongoing) giving to many chances away and being overrun in midfield situation then................

I have to agree with SR here. Until Garcia can heal and get up to speed, our back line seems horribly exposed far too often. I think Mancini ultimately changed his mind and wanted to keep NDJ, but was overruled by ownership because of FFP considerations. A mistake, IMHO.

Read my reply to him. We have stopped conceding since Barry has come back (in the league)

I saw it, and yes, you've made a pretty good point. When Garcia returns and is fully bedded in, Mancini will be in much better position, as he'll have two good holding mids and the opportunity to rotate, as Barry tends to struggle when asked to play too many matches in too short a period of time.<br /><br />-- Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:06 am --<br /><br />

The issue of the 5 year contract is a red-herring. Anyone working under such a contract has a duty to mitigate their losses. In other words to find a new job as soon as possible. If they don't then the former employer does not have to pay the full value of the outstanding contract term. If we were to sack Mancini he'll probably end up without around 12-18 months worth of salary.

The question that the announcement raised in my eyes was who does Mancini now report to; the CEO or Director of Football?

Nice to see someone who has a good handle on this. I think you're exactly right about the amount of a settlement, as it is in line with recent similar situations.

I'm sure Mancini will report, like Marwood, to Txiki. Giving him, or anyone else, an organizational flow-chart end-around Txiki to Soriano would be muddying the waters.

The Spanish [including the Catalans for this purpose] take water-muddying to an artform only matched by the Italians. That's why Bobby and the Barca boys will get on fine, whatever the outcome. They can even go to Mass together. Anyone who has lived in one of these two countries [like me] would agree. British footballing culture has, most probably, now left MCFC forever. Don't know what to make of the latter but there it is.

Interesting post, and I actually agree with most of it. Thanks for some intelligent discussion. I certainly agree that Bobby and the Barca Boys can, and should, get along, but there are other possible forces at work here (can Bobby accept diminished authority within the organization, and do the BB's have a semi-secret agenda to bring in The Pep). I'm not sure about what I referenced parenthetically.

 

[TROUSERS]

Just a thought......Many will probably now speculate that Guardiola is to follow, but we should remember that the team he managed at Barca, largely was built and grew up with him thru their yoof system. Therefore to a certain extent, he has not proven himself with a brand new senior team of primadonnas, such as Bobby Manc has. Dont forget also that the yoof team of Barca was also extremely and exceptionally talented and we may never see that level of talent, at that age, together for many many years. Todays papers have him lined up for the Swamp, but again, a poisoned chalice for whoever follows Taggart!
Marwood has definitely been kicked in the barcelonas, not a sideways move but a definite removal from power. He will be gone by summer.
Have to say that I think he has been responsible for some of the "lesser" signings.
I think Johnson was not good enough for what is expected at MCFC and Sinclair is no better. That long period of the summer without signings could only mean 1 of 2 things: we had a mega signing up our sleeve, or we would end up without anyone significant, and sadly it was the latter. Yet to be convinced by garcia, but I shall give him the benefit.
As was mentioned earlier by someone, the champions should have had a much higher profile in the summer window.
I hope Bobby stays for at least his contract period of not longer.