new job role at City to 'monetise' fans

[Deleted member 52846]

I started going in 1986 and it's always been a family thing for me too, however i won't be taking my lad due to the points i made in my earlier post.

The thing with football is that it's in your blood, but i won't pay the unjustified ticket prices or by the rip off merchandise (i wouldn't buy anything made by Nike for any price to be fair as it's chavvy)

If people are happy with a club that sold it's soul, sterile atmosphere, high prices, greedy players, becoming blue rags and more interesting in being a 'global brand' then fair enough, enjoy it.

Seriously FL? You preferred it when we had zero cash? Days away from going bust?

Just look at Portsmouth and ask yourself where you'd rather be. We've been waiting years for success and your bowing out now??

Yeah, i preferred football the way it was mate.

My post wasn't meant to be offensive to any blues by describing them as rags, but one of the main reasons i hated united was the fact it was just a commercial operation and not a club that represents it's local community.

Look, we're all entitled to an opinion on the way football is going and respect the fans that are happy with the way things are going, like i said enjoy it.

So yes i am 'bowing out' now as i no longer have a passion for Manchester City PLC that makes me want to go to the games.

I will however continue to look for free internet streams for selected games (excluding the 'Champions' League but i won't start ranting about that) and if my children or nephews decide to become blues then i may even turn up again one day (domestic cup games for less than £30 only though!)

I stand by my point about ticket prices, but i guess thats all down to an individual on what they believe to be acceptable and value for money, some of you on here seem to have the same passion i had back in the day so i respect your decision to pay the increases.

Football hasn't changed, though. It's the world that has changed.

Since we won our first trophy winning the FA Cup and came runners-up in the league in 1904 - and even before that - right through the history of our club and every other club, we have wanted to be as successful, profitable and well supported as we possibly could. In 1923 we built a stadium to hold 90000 and in the 1930s had a wonderful side full of stars of the game. In 1965 our average attendance was 14753 yet three years later when we won the title we averaged 37223; that is a quintessential example of a bunch of glory hunting JCLs.

The only difference in modern football is that from the mid 1990s the Internet exploded and the world became about as big as Manchester was 100 years ago to an individual. You could live in Greenland or Samoa and be exposed to more City games than someone from Gorton or Sale was a century ago. But even though the club is wider reaching, the world is smaller and money has increased, the principals have never changed.

 

[Fuzzy Logic]

Fuzzy

I totally agree that you are entitled to your opinion but a quick search of your posts shows you have been banging this particular drum since 15th May 2013

I think by now most have got your message, although few agree with you

What's more I find it odd that you would travel all the way up to Maine Road FC to watch a game when there are loads of local teams much nearer to home that wouldn't cost a minimum of £70 in petrol to get there

Something seems less than right, but I'm trying not to be too judgemental

i don't recall any of my previous posts, but i presume i'll have been moaning about the same sort of stuff!

I live in Stalybridge now mate so Maine Road isn't too far, i'd go to Stalybridge Celtic but it's full of rags and chavs!

I don't expect too many to agree with my opinions, and perhaps the Against Modern Football crusade is fighting a losing battle, but i'll carry on regardless.

I think it's more a problem i have with the whole of the Premier League and not just City

 

[Shaelumstash]

Why is it harsh? The sole purpose of a business is to make money. It is a money making enterprise. It just happens our favorite business's best avenue to making money is too win.

I'm a foreign fan. All I see from them trying to "milk" me is better access to services, information and gear then we've had previously. They're providing better service and we choose whether or not we want to pay for it. There isn't anything offensive at all about it.

I appreciate what you're saying, and it is true that in the modern era it is essential for City to make money. If you feel more engaged and have better access to CIty product, that is fantastic as far as I'm concerned.

However, one point I disagree with you on is your suggestion that City is just a business and money making exercise. It is so much more than that. Football clubs in England were not born as franchises of a global conglomerate. They were clubs that represented local communities. For over 120 years they have been institutions that are as close to some people as family and church.

Using church as an example, imagine the parishioners at a local church who had gone for years to the same place to worship. The church had leaks, was cold in the winter, the priest was boring and you couldn't hear him at the back, and he had a speech impediment. The congregation would whinge and argue about him and the state of the church, but would still come back every Sunday no matter what because their fathers and grandfathers had gone before them. They belonged there, it was part of who they are.

Then one day a hugely wealthy businessman came and knocked that church down, built a brand new bigger, better more modern one, with plasma screens, heating in the winter, air conditioning in the summer, and hired the most articulate and charismatic priest he could find, Steven Fry meets Jay-Z.

The same congregation came as before, but to fill all of the benches in the huge church, he had to bus in a load of out of towners. They were all good people, but because they'd not been there when the roof was leaking, some of the old congregation resented them. They liked the new facilities, the plasmas, the heating, Steve-Z, but sometimes some of them missed the leaky roof.

I totally get that, and was intentionally trying to lead away from it, because it just isn't the case anymore. I was looking at it through the modern prism that we are forced to look at it through. I really do understand that, and we all as fans may still feel that way about our club, but it isn't the reality in the modern day footballing business. It's now a case of adapt and accept or go support Alty. Know what I mean?





I do love Alty.

I completely agree. The globalisation of the club is inevitable due to the globalisation of the game / league. We have to expand the fan base if we are going to compete. Whether someone likes that or not, it's inevitable.

The point I was making though, is that football clubs mean so much more to people in England, and indeed Europe and South America, than simply being a sporting franchise.

Football clubs are part of people's community, identity, and day to day life far more than a detached casual fan probably realises. While the global fan base grows, I just hope the passion and engagement of the traditional core fans doesn't wane.

 

[bluethunder]

I started going in 1986 and it's always been a family thing for me too, however i won't be taking my lad due to the points i made in my earlier post.

The thing with football is that it's in your blood, but i won't pay the unjustified ticket prices or by the rip off merchandise (i wouldn't buy anything made by Nike for any price to be fair as it's chavvy)

If people are happy with a club that sold it's soul, sterile atmosphere, high prices, greedy players, becoming blue rags and more interesting in being a 'global brand' then fair enough, enjoy it.

I stand by my point about ticket prices, but i guess thats all down to an individual on what they believe to be acceptable and value for money, some of you on here seem to have the same passion i had back in the day so i respect your decision to pay the increases.

the ticket prices are decided by the market.

The four basic laws of supply and demand are:

If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.
If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I agree with your point in general but there are notable exceptions. Bayern Munich charge much less for their cheapest season tickets than they could. They realise ticket income is a fraction of commercial and TV revenue and the lower prices are good for PR.

I stand by my point about ticket prices, but i guess thats all down to an individual on what they believe to be acceptable and value for money, some of you on here seem to have the same passion i had back in the day so i respect your decision to pay the increases.

the ticket prices are decided by the market.

The four basic laws of supply and demand are:

If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.
If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus occurs, leading to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage occurs, leading to a higher equilibrium price.

 

[urmston]

Nobody is going to monetise me at City.

I bought a few Wagon Wheels, orange drinks and packets of crisps at Maine Rd in the late 60s/early 70s and I bought programmes until the late 80s.

But since then I've not spent one penny inside the ground and don't think I ever will.

I pay for my season ticket and that is it.

 

[ped]

The City we grew up loving has gone, we're just rags now but in a different colour shirt. MCFC is a business that wants to sell merchandise all around the globe, attract glory hunters and milk everyone for every penny they can get.

Back in the day if i saw someone in a city top i'd go and have a chat knowing they were probably from the north west and a proper football fan, now i don't bother as they're just as likely to be a JCL glory hunter.

Football has bene stolen from the working man and i hope it all comes crashing down sooner rather than later, but as long as some people keep bending over and paying whatever they're told we've got no chance.

I didn't renew my seasoncard and i'm looking forward to visiting Maine Road FC to watch English players playing for pride and not for greed, standing on terraces with local fans.

why do people ,who don't go,spin the myth that the ground is full of day trippers,ITS NOT I sit with the same people who have been there since we moved to the etihah,If you don't want to go anymore that's fair <but when you spout poison,negativity,and lies ,well all I can say is good ridence,in the words of mrs brown ,that's nice.

 

[cleavers]

Football hasn't changed, though. It's the world that has changed.

Since we won our first trophy winning the FA Cup and came runners-up in the league in 1904 - and even before that - right through the history of our club and every other club, we have wanted to be as successful, profitable and well supported as we possibly could. In 1923 we built a stadium to hold 90000 and in the 1930s had a wonderful side full of stars of the game. In 1965 our average attendance was 14753 yet three years later when we won the title we averaged 37223; that is a quintessential example of a bunch of glory hunting JCLs.

The only difference in modern football is that from the mid 1990s the Internet exploded and the world became about as big as Manchester was 100 years ago to an individual. You could live in Greenland or Samoa and be exposed to more City games than someone from Gorton or Sale was a century ago. But even though the club is wider reaching, the world is smaller and money has increased, the principals have never changed.

Excellent post Caveman, and whilst we all keep on paying more and more, then the club(s) will keep on charging more and more.

In the end its an individuals choice whether they pay up or not, and ultimately up to their budget as to whether they can. If the club want to appoint a "fan money milker" then they can, it still doesn't mean that anyone has to be "milked" for their cash further, JCL or otherwise.

 

[cleavers]

why do people ,who don't go,spin the myth that the ground is full of day trippers,ITS NOT I sit with the same people who have been there since we moved to the etihah,If you don't want to go anymore that's fair <but when you spout poison,negativity,and lies ,well all I can say is good ridence,in the words of mrs brown ,that's nice.

Thats' pretty well how I see it, a few faces round me have changed over the years (some for the better I might add), but most are the same as when I first sat there.

 

[LoveCity]

The City we grew up loving has gone, we're just rags now but in a different colour shirt. MCFC is a business that wants to sell merchandise all around the globe, attract glory hunters and milk everyone for every penny they can get.

Back in the day if i saw someone in a city top i'd go and have a chat knowing they were probably from the north west and a proper football fan, now i don't bother as they're just as likely to be a JCL glory hunter.

Football has bene stolen from the working man and i hope it all comes crashing down sooner rather than later, but as long as some people keep bending over and paying whatever they're told we've got no chance.

I didn't renew my seasoncard and i'm looking forward to visiting Maine Road FC to watch English players playing for pride and not for greed, standing on terraces with local fans.

why do people ,who don't go,spin the myth that the ground is full of day trippers,ITS NOT I sit with the same people who have been there since we moved to the etihah,If you don't want to go anymore that's fair <but when you spout poison,negativity,and lies ,well all I can say is good ridence,in the words of mrs brown ,that's nice.

Agreed on this - the only time I've seen a significant amount of day trippers/tourists has been at Champions League games when they seem to turn up in droves (couldn't get to my seat at the Madrid game as Asian tourists congregated to take photos of Cristiano). At league games it's really the same as ever from what I have seen.