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That explains it. From memory I think all clubs get a share of all merchandise sales too (or maybe that's just the NFL?).
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New York City FC Thread (new away kit P245)
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That explains it. From memory I think all clubs get a share of all merchandise sales too (or maybe that's just the NFL?).
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That explains it. From memory I think all clubs get a share of all merchandise sales too (or maybe that's just the NFL?).
I'm pretty sure revenue is equally shared in all four sports. It definitely is in the NFL, as you say.
I think it is in MLS too.
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It was an honest question. Didn't expect I struck a nerve. I genuinely want NYCFC to do well but biting the hand that feeds doesn't sit well. if 95% pro CFG is to go by then it's more sensible.
I take it as positive news that the majority of the fan base are supporters of La Liga teams. The lesser of two evils silver lining and all. I would have thought some teams otherwise in the PL bar City.
I like Melbourne City because atm everything is low-key and none of this reported drama like Lampard that somehow caused a rift in opinions. Not to say that being grandiose about the future is wrong, but it's not like Villa is playing alongside Tal Ben Haim is he. The players are capable for the MLS, it's just teething problems.
I take it as positive news that the majority of the fan base are supporters of La Liga teams. The lesser of two evils silver lining and all. I would have thought some teams otherwise in the PL bar City.
I like Melbourne City because atm everything is low-key and none of this reported drama like Lampard that somehow caused a rift in opinions. Not to say that being grandiose about the future is wrong, but it's not like Villa is playing alongside Tal Ben Haim is he. The players are capable for the MLS, it's just teething problems.
:/ I stopped responding a week ago as I didn't really have it in me to keep arguing. Kind of peeved that it's still going on, but whatever. Going to try to keep my responses calm and fair now, because I'd rather keep it civil and still don't quite have it in me to get my blood up again over all of this.
I think this is the problem, and half of the issue behind Lampard-gate (the other half being that Lampard's contract status was so murky and uncertain for such a long time). Expansion teams, as a general rule, struggle badly in their first year because of how MLS's transfer rules work. A large part of their first ever recruitment comes from a system I have no love at all for called the Expansion Draft, where they get to pick players off all the other teams in the league, but there's a caveat in that teams are allowed to "protect" 10 players, plus DPs cannot be drafted. This means you're stocking your squad with the bench-warmers and outcasts from the rest of the league. Not only this, but NYCFC operated at a further disadvantage as, whereas most expansion clubs are one-off new entries, NYCFC joined the league at the same time as Orlando City, meaning they had to alternate draft picks with another team, thus further diluting the decent talent available to sign. You also sign players from the "waiver list", which is comprised of all the players who teams have allowed to go out-of-contract, which is hardly again a stunning indictment of their pedigree.
Hence part of the reason people got so angry about Lampard-gate - they had pinned all of their hopes on the three DPs and a literal sprinkle of other top-notch players dragging the team through its first year. Claudio Reyna went so far as to promise the club would sign three DPs on a video interview on the club's media, and yet they ended up with one player, who was playing up front and for the first few games was virtually unable to touch the ball as he was marked out of every single game and NYCFC had literally no-one who could feed him a single pass.
As for the Ben Haim comment - this is especially pertinent as defence is NYCFC's weakest area. I would go so far as to say that Tal Ben Haim would arguably be an upgrade on every defender NYCFC has right now except Facey - he certainly would have back when he was playing for us. Most of the defenders NYCFC has are decidedly not capable for MLS. When they leave the club, most of them will probably struggle to get a starting role anywhere else in the league. Thankfully, NYCFC are making signings to change that, so in a month's time the situation should be much more rosy.
Mostly. The team struggling so much served to numb most of the antipathy, although it definitely still exists in some quarters. Still, people can talk about him on the forums without it turning heated now, so yeah, it's calmed down.
Yeah, there was. Opinion was divided on the name change but the change in kit colour was almost universally derided. At one point there was talk of a concerted CFG-out campaign, though it died down very quickly and most people simply accept it now. Still, many on their forum still express that they're waiting for CFG to come good in the transfer market before they fully buy in to CFG's promises, and it's also worth pointing out that despite the CFG buy-out and a better season (6th place finish and the play-offs this season, against dead last in the previous one), attendances by the end of the year were actually down by about 1,000 on 2013-14...
I like Melbourne City because atm everything is low-key and none of this reported drama like Lampard that somehow caused a rift in opinions. Not to say that being grandiose about the future is wrong, but it's not like Villa is playing alongside Tal Ben Haim is he. The players are capable for the MLS, it's just teething problems.
I think this is the problem, and half of the issue behind Lampard-gate (the other half being that Lampard's contract status was so murky and uncertain for such a long time). Expansion teams, as a general rule, struggle badly in their first year because of how MLS's transfer rules work. A large part of their first ever recruitment comes from a system I have no love at all for called the Expansion Draft, where they get to pick players off all the other teams in the league, but there's a caveat in that teams are allowed to "protect" 10 players, plus DPs cannot be drafted. This means you're stocking your squad with the bench-warmers and outcasts from the rest of the league. Not only this, but NYCFC operated at a further disadvantage as, whereas most expansion clubs are one-off new entries, NYCFC joined the league at the same time as Orlando City, meaning they had to alternate draft picks with another team, thus further diluting the decent talent available to sign. You also sign players from the "waiver list", which is comprised of all the players who teams have allowed to go out-of-contract, which is hardly again a stunning indictment of their pedigree.
Hence part of the reason people got so angry about Lampard-gate - they had pinned all of their hopes on the three DPs and a literal sprinkle of other top-notch players dragging the team through its first year. Claudio Reyna went so far as to promise the club would sign three DPs on a video interview on the club's media, and yet they ended up with one player, who was playing up front and for the first few games was virtually unable to touch the ball as he was marked out of every single game and NYCFC had literally no-one who could feed him a single pass.
As for the Ben Haim comment - this is especially pertinent as defence is NYCFC's weakest area. I would go so far as to say that Tal Ben Haim would arguably be an upgrade on every defender NYCFC has right now except Facey - he certainly would have back when he was playing for us. Most of the defenders NYCFC has are decidedly not capable for MLS. When they leave the club, most of them will probably struggle to get a starting role anywhere else in the league. Thankfully, NYCFC are making signings to change that, so in a month's time the situation should be much more rosy.
Has everyone calmed down over 'Lampard Gate' yet? It was a very touchy subject to say the least whenI got my red card, wonder what type of reception Frank will get from the majority of NYCFC fans, 7th July is the start of the transfer window?
Mostly. The team struggling so much served to numb most of the antipathy, although it definitely still exists in some quarters. Still, people can talk about him on the forums without it turning heated now, so yeah, it's calmed down.
Stiff upper lip spirit there, I'm sure CFG will sort it out! Was there any fallout over kit change, name change etc?
Yeah, there was. Opinion was divided on the name change but the change in kit colour was almost universally derided. At one point there was talk of a concerted CFG-out campaign, though it died down very quickly and most people simply accept it now. Still, many on their forum still express that they're waiting for CFG to come good in the transfer market before they fully buy in to CFG's promises, and it's also worth pointing out that despite the CFG buy-out and a better season (6th place finish and the play-offs this season, against dead last in the previous one), attendances by the end of the year were actually down by about 1,000 on 2013-14...
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God. Is there any chance they will move from Yankee Stadium in the near future. Jeez, even the Meadowlands would be a better pitch than that hunk of sh-t they play on now.
So what was the abusive paragraph deleted by the mods? I'd love to give it a read. MODS, please let him post it in full.Actually, I will defend Dan and the other board mods. Also, you guys are too much fun not to come over. I appreciate the wit and humor of many here. Although, you have some slow ones who've visited Dan's board, you mostly are an entertaining bunch, and you have a great team that I enjoy watching very much when they are playing well.
It's pretty simple really, and it makes sense if you're running a message board. If you're on a team's board, and your purpose posting or the rationale of your post is NOT what is best for said team, it pretty much makes you a target.
Anyway, slag me off if you want. But I think you are absolutely entitled to want what's best for your team, as are those of us on the NYC board. I'd figure that's common knowledge and behavior.
As far as being grateful, well come on. What do you want? A thank you letter? If you need that, then you'll likely continue being disappointed.
FYI - since my name gets brought up here, here's the sort of slagging off I've done to MCFC fans, and I posted this at the absolute apex of anger about the Lampard debacle (about which all reasonable people were angry about the CFG decision, not about you guys wanting to keep a player who was helping your squad. That's just reasonable behavior for any supporter, as is the NYC reaction).
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I thin it was posted on their board as we haven't deleted anythingSo what was the abusive paragraph deleted by the mods? I'd love to give it a read. MODS, please let him post it in full.
Haven't seen it there and he said it was deleted from here. Oh well, @Typical Midas if you're lurking PM me the message in full.I thin it was posted on their board as we haven't deleted anything
God. Is there any chance they will move from Yankee Stadium in the near future. Jeez, even the Meadowlands would be a better pitch than that hunk of sh-t they play on now.
They're struggling. The basic problem is that they had a deal agreed with the previous Mayor of NYC in literally his last week in the job, but the new Mayor has come in and he's pretty ardently opposed to any stadium being built with the slightest hint of a government subsidy. Not only that but NYC is literally choc-a-block with what they call NIMBYs - "Not In My Back Yard"s, i.e. people who are quite happy for you to build that stadium as long as it's at least a mile away from my house thank you very much, and these people kick up a huge fuss and threaten legal action the second you start talking about building something nearby them.
Heck, the team had a partnership with a local university to build a training facility written off last year because the local neighbourhood organisation successfully lobbied that the players turning up to training would cause too much traffic in what was previously a serene little township. You just can't work with people like that. There was also talk of an attempt at rebuilding a University field within the city limits (the training ground was outside of the city) into a proper stadium, and within hours a local community leader came out saying that they felt outraged that the club had started by approaching the University rather than holding a public consultation session to ask if the locals would mind them moving into the Uni grounds and whether they would like any input on the stadium. Apparently, because of that heinous sin, the community leaders had instead resolved to be implacably against any move into the University and are now committed to expending all energy to shooting down the bid.
This is not an issue that is going to resolve itself any time soon.