Newcastle Thread - 2023/24

Gorton_Tubster said:
If tonali played for city how much hatred would he be getting. I mean its all positive positive , club helping him through this difficult time, putting their arms around him to help him.

If he played for city they would be asking for an investigation into the club and a much longer ban, and certainly not playing through it like he could be at the weekend.

It stinks tbh, he's a cheat.
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Correct. People on here say wait until Newcastle start winning stuff and they’ll get the same treatment we have. They won’t! Because they aren’t us. They dont share a city with one of the prems darlings. The media in this country already blow smoke up their arse about their “amazing fans” if they do start winning no way will they get the hatred we’ve been on the receiving end of the last 15 years!
 
TonyColemansbagofapples said:
Personally, I think he’s got off lightly. Ten months can easily be translated as seven months as three months is the close season. Three years is the maximum but the template is now plead gambling addiction and ten months is the default penalty. He bet on matches he played in so even pleading guilty and gambling addiction should be at least two years, a third of a reduction on the maximum.
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He’s missing Euro 24 as well, so the extra months do make a bit of difference.

(should Italy qualify, of course).
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
If tonali played for city how much hatred would he be getting. I mean its all positive positive , club helping him through this difficult time, putting their arms around him to help him.

If he played for city they would be asking for an investigation into the club and a much longer ban, and certainly not playing through it like he could be at the weekend.

It stinks tbh, he's a cheat.
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It’d be similar, I reckon. It’s the Italian FA that has made the judgement. He hasn’t done anything wrong whilst at Newcastle.
 
though not specific to Newcastle, fascinating watch from 1975. Reality upto the Newcastle take over you could extrapolate the North East story from 1975 to 2023
 
The thing about Newcastle since the takeover is they have to look and learn and compare their growth / development against City's from 2008. City are the only peer they have to follow.

Firstly City took 3 seasons to win a trophy and also to qualify for the Champions League. During that time, City bought two sides - the first to get us to have us properly challenge to win a trophy / CL spot and then the second team to take us to the next level. So Bellemy, Robinho, Adeybayor, Bridge, Jovetic paved the way for Aguero, Yaya, Silva, Barry etc. Newcastle are still in their ''first side'' phase yet to their credit, in ''year two'', although they haven't won a trophy, they are a year ahead of City in qualifying for the CL. City only missed out right at the end for a CL spot in 2010 when losing 1-0 to Spurs in a ''CL play off game'' and although there was disappointment at the time, it was a blessing in disguise, it was too early, as Newcastle are finding out now. City failed in the first two seasons of CL group stage, finishing 3rd the first season and woefully finishing last in the 2nd. I don't think we won a game! Yet from the 3rd season onwards we have gone beyond the group stages every season

Secondly there is the manager. City's takeover inherited Mark Hughes and were very patient with him for 16 months before taking action and bringing in Mancini. Newcastle's new owners brought in Eddie Howe and clearly he has done well, but like Hughes, he isn't the man to take them to the next level as Mancini did after Hughes. The question is how long will the owners give Howe? Unlike Hughes, Howe is popular with fans and may well bring a trophy home in the League Cup this season, but that (in my opinion) would be bad for Newcastle long term because it will keep Howe in the job longer and he isn't the man to lead a serious PL or CL challenge.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
The thing about Newcastle since the takeover is they have to look and learn and compare their growth / development against City's from 2008. City are the only peer they have to follow.

Firstly City took 3 seasons to win a trophy and also to qualify for the Champions League. During that time, City bought two sides - the first to get us to have us properly challenge to win a trophy / CL spot and then the second team to take us to the next level. So Bellemy, Robinho, Adeybayor, Bridge, Jovetic paved the way for Aguero, Yaya, Silva, Barry etc. Newcastle are still in their ''first side'' phase yet to their credit, in ''year two'', although they haven't won a trophy, they are a year ahead of City in qualifying for the CL. City only missed out right at the end for a CL spot in 2010 when losing 1-0 to Spurs in a ''CL play off game'' and although there was disappointment at the time, it was a blessing in disguise, it was too early, as Newcastle are finding out now. City failed in the first two seasons of CL group stage, finishing 3rd the first season and woefully finishing last in the 2nd. I don't think we won a game! Yet from the 3rd season onwards we have gone beyond the group stages every season

Secondly there is the manager. City's takeover inherited Mark Hughes and were very patient with him for 16 months before taking action and bringing in Mancini. Newcastle's new owners brought in Eddie Howe and clearly he has done well, but like Hughes, he isn't the man to take them to the next level as Mancini did after Hughes. The question is how long will the owners give Howe? Unlike Hughes, Howe is popular with fans and may well bring a trophy home in the League Cup this season, but that (in my opinion) would be bad for Newcastle long term because it will keep Howe in the job longer and he isn't the man to lead a serious PL or CL challenge.
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What Manager is out there you would say could do it for them?
 
I'd agree that Howe can't take them much further, but I'd also argue that Newcastle are given far more respect from the media than we ever were. Their schtick is the whole 'working class club for the community' thing. And they play up to the medias description of them being everyone's favourite 2nd team.
But we are vilified by that very same media, that same media that wants to paint the Geordies as working class heroes and ourselves as the nouveau richè, strutting about like to the manor born: fat, cigar-smoking capitalists, leaving our Tudor-style mansions in the countryside and taking private helicopters to the directors box at the Etihad. All the while sneering contemptuously at those 'salt of the earth' north-easterners from up Geordie Way.

Newcastle, effectively being a one-club town, had no-one to usurp, no-one to displace from their seat at the cartel - we had two.


Newcastle are Robin Hood, while we are Cyril Sneer.
 
LesBleuMiserable said:
What Manager is out there you would say could do it for them?
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Conte.

He's a **** but give him the money and he'll move them to regular CL qualifications and potential title winners.

His appointment would boil the media's piss as well as the relationship is fractious to say the least.
 
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