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bridgeno1 said:
Ah wow yes so we need to disregard the elbow as that's part of the arm. It's a shocker then - I thought the only reason it was considered onside was because upper body counts but if the arms don't (and the shitty image showed the elbow playing him on) then it should have been ruled off. For that and the Foden 'non-pen' I'd be livid.
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It’s a really simple one for Webb to say they got wrong because it’s not subjective, they’ve just ignored the law.
 
bridgeno1 said:
Ah wow yes so we need to disregard the elbow as that's part of the arm. It's a shocker then - I thought the only reason it was considered onside was because upper body counts but if the arms don't (and the shitty image showed the elbow playing him on) then it should have been ruled off. For that and the Foden 'non-pen' I'd be livid.
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It's a bad decision that you can shrug and say it could have gone either way, IF they didn't check it using video review and this semi automated bullshit. After that it's fucking embarrassing. Their own graphic for this showed it was offside.

And the Foden penalty is an absolute howler of a decision. I generally try not to be a "blame the ref" guy, but this has effectively cost us the game.
 
MCFC1993 said:
A tough loss to take. We should have scored more, we also gave up too many big chances.

Just not good enough against any decent team away from home.

That being said, the officials were a mess today, how he didn't give us a penalty today I do not know. For me the foul on Foden is absolutely blatant and a huge game changer.
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Correct. The Foden foul - should have been a pen - if a defender crunches into a player after he's got the shot away it's still a foul and still a pen. The fact that he skewed his shot is irrelevant. If that decision's correct then the Prem is saying it's ok to kick your opponent in the box as long as you do it after he's hit his shot off target. The defender's leg is outstretched as he lunges into Foden from a distance.

Also, Newcastle's second - if the defender's playing the attacker onside because the defender's elbow is sticking out, then the rule is just weird. In other words, and I'm being sarcastic here, if a defender has long arms, he'll spend his career playing attackers onside because of his running action. I'm sure the offside rule used to be about every part of the body apart from arms/hands because you can't used them legally to strike the ball.

But, overall, we were strangely generous in defence and wasteful in attack.

A word about Sky - commentators saying Isak outscored Haaland last season but no mention of the months he was out injured. Other commentators go on as though Haaland had a bad season last year - again no mention of the thirty-four goals for us despite being out for months.
 
It’s very simple really.

We are a good team, not a great team.

We will make top 5, we won’t the prem.

We will have some good performances and results, but the vast majority of these players aren’t good enough to perform with the consistency to win the league.
 
jamielowndes said:
And the Foden penalty is an absolute howler of a decision. I generally try not to be a "blame the ref" guy, but this has effectively cost us the game.
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At full speed you can see why it isn't given, watching I didn't think there was much in it, but the slower replays, and the stills are damning, he should have at least been sent to the screen to review it, he'd have given it for sure (then we'd have missed anyway ;-) ).
 
bridgeno1 said:
Yeah, that will be typical Arsenal. Dippers shit the bed, City not quite at it, and then bloody Chelsea go and win the thing!
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You're not far off it there with that Bridge. You really could see that happening. I mean step forward Champs League 2021. And I had a funny feeling they would win the Club Workd Cup right from the start of the tournament ( posted it on here loads) when nobody would have given them a chance. They are unpredictability predictable when it comes to sneaking wins nobody would expect them too....
 
cleavers said:
At full speed you can see why it isn't given, watching I didn't think there was much in it, but the slower replays, and the stills are damning, he should have at least been sent to the screen to review it, he'd have given it for sure (then we'd have missed anyway ;-) ).
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You've covered some of the possible scenarios and what went into it. The best would be for VAR to not exist so such things could simply play out naturally. And whatever the decision is, it would be part of the natural flow of the game and it wouldn't turn into a huge controversy.
 
TFC said:
Without going full dip, those images have obviously been altered, does the club do anything about this or do we play the nice guy and bend over as per?
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From pep’s presser comments I think we’re playing the fucking nice guy again.

I’d love us to go in two footed on the cheating cunts. But we won’t for the sake of magnanimity. For some fucking reason.
 
69FACUPfinal said:
You're not far off it there with that Bridge. You really could see that happening. I mean step forward Champs League 2021. And I had a funny feeling they would win the Club Workd Cup right from the start of the tournament ( posted it on here loads) when nobody would have given them a chance. They are unpredictability predictable when it comes to sneaking wins nobody would expect them too....
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Possibly although what I'd say is when we finished 2nd to City twice in a row I could tell City were a formidable side with world class players and that we weren't a better team. With Chelsea I think there is a clear difference in squad quality (their defence and keeper in particular is a horror-show) so whilst it's not over when it comes to fighting City for the title, I think we'd really have to have a nightmare to finish below Chelsea (and you won't finish below them either). But you never know of course, after Spurs tmw we go to Chelsea. But I think over a league campaign that unpredictability gets found out even if it means they could surprise people in a big cup competition.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
The best would be for VAR to not exist so such things could simply play out naturally.
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Therefore "no penalty", do you think would end the controversy, we'd still be shouting "bent" having seen the replays.

I'm not, and never have been, a big fan of var, but it was intended to improve decisions, to me interpretation by var is now making an already difficult job worse. The fact we have var, and the option to help a referee get it right, makes some of the things we've seen today embarrasing, whether we have it or don't have it.
 
Big Yaya Wilko 12 said:
From pep’s presser comments I think we’re playing the fucking nice guy again.

I’d love us to go in two footed on the cheating cunts. But we won’t for the sake of magnanimity. For some fucking reason.
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It's not fair on the supporters even if the club doesn't appear to give a monkeys. This bias and cheating against us with reffing has an impact and really needs calling out. Most managers do it, why doesn't Pep. Even if it is just ONCE?
 
Blueknows said:
Trouble is with every season the rules fucking change , no one knows what the interpretation of the rules are anymore
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And this is just within PL. Consider that pretty much every league in the world has been fitted in VAR and naturally there would be more inconsistencies between leagues than there would be within leagues, due to different training, different cultures working the VAR in different countries. If we can't even have reliable consistency within the most prestigious and respected league in the world after this long of having VAR, then how could there ever be consistency throughout the various leagues who are now using VAR throughout the world? When you add up how much money this costs to operate, how fed up the fans are over it, how the PGMOL has turned its rulebook into a pretzel in reaction to VAR. The kinds of incidents and decisions we are seeing are simply unacceptable, and given how they've shown themselves not capable of making permanent lasting changes under VAR, to say we need a rethink at this point is a huge understatement.

I can only speak for myself, but I am deeply troubled by what is going on in football and how VAR has taken over. This is not right, not even a little bit. And I know how accepted technology has become in other sports. What happens in other sports is not my concern here. VAR is failing dramatically and in a way that really can't be ignored. Something must be done to rid The Beautiful Game of this villain known as VAR.
 
Random Precision said:


You sometimes get them and sometimes you don’t cracking game though lads.
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If my memory serves me right, i think either Summerbee’s or Lee’s goals in the 3-4 win in 1968 might have been 50/50 aswell.
I’m not going to put my mortgage on it due to not being there, seeing the goals or even being born yet.
How far are we going back FFS!
 
youngbob said:
Didn't know where else to put this but after 12 games under Pep in each season we've been:

(The points we finished on)

2025: 3rd, 22 points
2024: 2nd, 23 points (71)
2023: 1st, 28 points (91)
2022: 2nd, 29 points (89)
2021: 2nd, 26 points (93)
2020: 9th, 20 points (86)
2019: 4th, 25 points (81)
2018: 1st, 32 points (98)
2017: 1st, 34 points (100)
2016: 3rd, 27 points (78)

I think we'll finish between 75-80 points this year, which is fine. Got to be going for the league next season, though.
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that's with teams that could string together 20 wins on the bounce. This teams lost 4 out of 12 PL games.
 
If a team doesn’t take it’s chances, it can’t win a football match. Simple as that.

No point moaning that their winner might have been offside (30 semiautomated cameras said he wasn’t though so I have absolutely no problem with that), or that we didn’t get a penalty. We had about six fairly easy opportunities to put the ball in the net, half of which would have made anything else that happened obsolete… and who’s to say we’d have scored a penalty anyway? Haven’t we missed 5 of our last 12 penalties or something?

One of those opportunities to score was the penalty incident itself, where Foden completely miscontrolled the ball about three feet away from himself which is what enticed Schar into the tackle. If he wants to be one of the best in the world, he needs to kill that ball dead and slot it home because that’s what the best players do, Schar would have been nowhere near him if he’d controlled the ball properly.

If Haaland wants to earn his £26m a year, he needs to put the ball in the net when he’s presented with an easy chance. He might well be a scoring machine but he’s missed about eight absolute sitters in the last half a dozen games on top of what he did actually score.

Newcastle had chances themselves, they’re a good team who played well, who’ve been excellent at home this season (that’s their 6th home win in the trot and they didn’t deserve to lose to either Liverpool nor Arsenal), but we take three of the chances we had, we’d have been out of sight. No Newcastle chances, no referee decisions, nothing else would have mattered if we’d taken our chances.
 
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