I don't think Ederson was stupid. If Cancelo hadn't intervened, Ederson would have got the ball before Fraser and punched the ball away (or even kept hold of it). He was shouting at Cancelo to shout if he was doing that (or he'd shouted for it and Cancelo hadn't left it). He'd still have clattered Fraser but would have not committed a foul. He was probably annoyed because he thought VAR would give it.
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Newcastle United (A) - Post-Match Thread
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Lovebitesandeveryfing
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A few years back. Us against Chelsea. Sergio's away on the left wing, the ball is well past Luiz, Luiz just barges him over. Not only was it not a red card, it wasn't even a free kick. Sure, you can say it's a shoulder charge, but neither of them have got the ball. I have to presume that the ref simply interpreted it as a collision, which can happen on any part of the pitch.
I really do bend over backwards not to have blue tinted specs in general. But watching that penalty incident again and again and again, at no point does the Newcastle player have the ball. He doesn't have the ball, he doesn't have control of it, at any point. It's a collision. Furthermore, the Newcastle player mainly trips over Ederson's arm, which he could have easily skipped over. Ederson does not go in legs first. That would be cleaning the player out. It could have been given, but it's not shocking that it wasn't, either by the ref or by VAR.
I really do bend over backwards not to have blue tinted specs in general. But watching that penalty incident again and again and again, at no point does the Newcastle player have the ball. He doesn't have the ball, he doesn't have control of it, at any point. It's a collision. Furthermore, the Newcastle player mainly trips over Ederson's arm, which he could have easily skipped over. Ederson does not go in legs first. That would be cleaning the player out. It could have been given, but it's not shocking that it wasn't, either by the ref or by VAR.
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A few years back. Us against Chelsea. Sergio's away on the left wing, the ball is well past Luiz, Luiz just barges him over. Not only was it not a red card, it wasn't even a free kick. Sure, you can say it's a shoulder charge, but neither of them have got the ball. I have to presume that the ref simply interpreted it as a collision, which can happen on any part of the pitch.
I really do bend over backwards not to have blue tinted specs in general. But watching that penalty incident again and again and again, at no point does the Newcastle player have the ball. He doesn't have the ball, he doesn't have control of it, at any point. It's a collision. Furthermore, the Newcastle player mainly trips over Ederson's arm, which he could have easily skipped over. Ederson does not go in legs first. That would be cleaning the player out. It could have been given, but it's not shocking that it wasn't, either by the ref or by VAR.
Agreed.
All the bleating about this "incident" talks about Ederson "taking him out".
At no point does Ederson lunge towards Fraser, rugby tackle style. Fraser simply tripped over Ederson after Cancelo was running away with the ball.
As you say, a collision of two players, happens all the time.
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Only about a third of City fans think it wasn’t a penalty.Agreed.
All the bleating about this "incident" talks about Ederson "taking him out".
At no point does Ederson lunge towards Fraser, rugby tackle style. Fraser simply tripped over Ederson after Cancelo was running away with the ball.
As you say, a collision of two players, happens all the time.
The rest of the world does.
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Agreed.
All the bleating about this "incident" talks about Ederson "taking him out".
At no point does Ederson lunge towards Fraser, rugby tackle style. Fraser simply tripped over Ederson after Cancelo was running away with the ball.
As you say, a collision of two players, happens all the time.
It's a weird one. Like all decisions, you can argue both ways but it doesn't deserve the scrutiny it's getting and everyone knows it wouldn't have changed the result.
Have a look at Fraser's eyes. He is looking right at Ederson, his eyes only leave Ederson after he ran into him. What was he going to do if Ederson had gathered the ball? Run into him? I don't think so. He had time to jump over him, so he could have jumped after Cancelo played the ball. Also, he made no attempt to turn to follow Cancelo, so he wasn't interested in continuing play.
Played for a penalty and didn't get it. Tough. Surprised he didn't get it tbh. Some evening up been happening with our decisions the last few games. What's up?
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No penalty to Newcastle
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Only about a third of City fans think it wasn’t a penalty.
The rest of the world does.
The tyranny of the majority.
BillCarlisle
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A few years back. Us against Chelsea. Sergio's away on the left wing, the ball is well past Luiz, Luiz just barges him over. Not only was it not a red card, it wasn't even a free kick. Sure, you can say it's a shoulder charge, but neither of them have got the ball. I have to presume that the ref simply interpreted it as a collision, which can happen on any part of the pitch.
I really do bend over backwards not to have blue tinted specs in general. But watching that penalty incident again and again and again, at no point does the Newcastle player have the ball. He doesn't have the ball, he doesn't have control of it, at any point. It's a collision. Furthermore, the Newcastle player mainly trips over Ederson's arm, which he could have easily skipped over. Ederson does not go in legs first. That would be cleaning the player out. It could have been given, but it's not shocking that it wasn't, either by the ref or by VAR.
I agree. Shearer & Co can bleat all they want but having watched it back several times it was the correct decision. Cancelo was clear with the ball under his control before Eddie & Fraser collided. It looked to me like Eddie was sliding in for the ball before Cancelo took over and the collision ensued. I reckon Shearer would have said differently if it had been Dubravka & Sterling at the other end of the pitch. Atkinson & VAR got that one right.
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Possibly. More likely unblinkered in this case.The tyranny of the majority.
fraser instigated the contact, the ref saw it happen, the pundit's use of
"cleaned 'im out" only proves their anti-city bias. When even the var-stewards
exonerate Eddie.....'kin 'ell. People see what they want to see, pundit's say what their readers/viewers want to hear, snafu. The best way to deal with it is to dominate dominate and dominate, on the pitch. Just dont become any more "rawkish", there's enough of that already. Pointing out the glaring biased comments, the plainly agenda-driven decisions only encourages more of the same, in football, in politics and the playground.....
"cleaned 'im out" only proves their anti-city bias. When even the var-stewards
exonerate Eddie.....'kin 'ell. People see what they want to see, pundit's say what their readers/viewers want to hear, snafu. The best way to deal with it is to dominate dominate and dominate, on the pitch. Just dont become any more "rawkish", there's enough of that already. Pointing out the glaring biased comments, the plainly agenda-driven decisions only encourages more of the same, in football, in politics and the playground.....