Newcastle United Thread - 2021/22

[LongsightM13]

I think Newcastle are firstly a long way from winning their first PL title and even further from making it a big 7. In my opinion, it took City about 10 years to get to the point of being considered just part of the big 6. Which is a club that can compete on and off the field with the likes of United and Liverpool and do it consistently. Is 10 years really too fast of a transition, considering how much investment and hard work it took?

United went from no title in 26 years, to winning 2 back to back titles in the first 5 years of the PL and capped off the first 9 years with 3 in a row(that's 7 of the first 9 titles with just one name on the title). They transitioned from a club well in Liverpool's shadow, to "the biggest club in the world" in just 8 years by some accounts. City have yet to overtake Liverpool, United or even Arsenal and they are trying to make out what they've done is unnaturally fast/not organic? It just doesn't make sense because the people who say these things are not being rational or reasonable. They are just afraid of the competition and don't want other clubs to have their time at the top.

In the time City have transitioned, the league itself has grown, lots of clubs have money and rich owners of their own. FFP and FMV rules are in place in advance of any investment Newcastle's owners want to make and the clubs with American owners and those like them, who are in it to skim profits, will continue to try and throw up road blocks to slow them down. I don't know what anyone else thinks but I personally think it might take double the time it took City to win their first PL title(6-7 years), the same goes for making it a big 7(15-20 years).

It felt like Chelsea were given slack as soon as City became a threat. I hope City fans don't become as hypocritical as a lot of their fanbase seem to be these days. Always remember who the cartel are and who their sights would be set on, without another "threat" to their dominance to deal with first.

Agree with every word of that

 

[remember arthur mann]

Maybe your just indecisive or not sure if you are ?

It's an age thing.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

So how is it legal to block sponsorship deals ?

Can't Newcastle just go to cat and court and just easily win.

How the hell do they expect to regulate that?

How many business acquaintances do we think this guy has?

Does nobody else think its weird that a Man City forum is in support of this? City are owned by a group of billionaire's from all corners of the globe. From the point of view of CFG there is no relationship with Saudi Arabia or Newcastle that I'm aware of, there isn't a reason to get behind this.

As City fans you will ultimately end up paying for it at the gate, Newcastle will raise the stakes in terms of wages which will filter through every club. By the time they get competitive you will be in a post Pep era and will just as vulnerable to them as any other club.

As a club you now have to think and vote with geo political impacts in mind, every vote could have consequences, does anyone think they will accept "its privately owned, we can't do anything about it" when they want City to side with them? Your PR has taken an instant hit as you are automatically lumped in with them and finally the trophies you would have won in the next 10 years has probably been halved.

I'm struggling to think of any benefits other than keeping Utd down which is a bit a small time in all honesty.

Fair points - to be honest, I would have thought that you may find it quite a refreshing viewpoint from a fanbase.

Knowing full well that it potentially may prevent us from being as successful going forward, we are open to the idea of other clubs being able to compete (outside of the old elitist wankers).

I welcome the competition whether that is to our detriment or not............

 

[JASR]

It’s the scum who started the inflation and still do but back in the day under fergie not one fuck was given when the swept up all those trophies!

When they (net) spent in one season (89/90 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/man...985/plus/?saison_id=1989&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= ) , almost more than the entire club (players, ground, training ground, tea lady etc) was valued at (Knighton very close to being accepted takeover offer https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58233755 ), then they have no leg to stand on, when talking about spending within a clubs limits or any form of 'financial fair play'.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Newcastle supporters giving us grief for years come up with comments like these on one of their forums;

"Were City opposed with this sort of thing? I don't remember it but maybe they were".

"I’m happy to be corrected but I don’t think they faced anything like this, and I think the reason was the pure arrogance of Manchester United/Liverpool etc, they’ve learned that a club can quickly transform when serious money is injected into it and that this repeated “but this club is bigger than this club” means very little when one of the clubs is offering more"

Where the fuck have these people been for the last 10 years ?

Ostriches..............

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

It is your last para which shows that you do not really understand what has been going on. It is not just about keeping manyoo down but about all the US based red shirts, that is MUFC, LFC, ARSENAL FC. Oh, and to a lesser extent certain others such as, er, Spurs.
The three red shirts have plotted against us non stop ever since it became clear that we threatened their cosy little top three club.

1.The American sports model is based on the owners making a handy profit from a league which does not have relegation so they are safe from the phenomenon of poor performance on the field leading to poor financial performance or even disaster.
2. A permanent place in the top four is a permanent place in the Champs league with increased revenues from fans, sponsors, TV, and prize money. Last season City earned £80m in prize money from the CL alone.
3. In order to preserve this, the American red shirts took part in the disgraceful blackmail of UEFA. UEFA proposed FPP partly to stop us but crucially the proposals included limits on debt. G14 refused to accept this and said they would leave the CL and set up their own comp. UEFA caved in and FFP was based on income alone. Handy for man u and Arsenal with huge debts on their books. No problem, however, for City as our then owner had a plan to spend upfront, establish the club as in a higher echelon, and then run the club on a sustainable debt free basis, having swopped the debt to him for equity. The equity swop enabled Mansour to reverse City into the ownership of ADUG, and thence into CFG .
This is exactly what happened. Panic from the red shirts. Lots of cosy lunches plotting how they would fend off CITY.
By coincidence, or design there then occurred the Spiegel email leaks. The red shirts built a whole case on this saying our accounts were a sham, and the true source of our income was the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, directly or thru fake sponsorships. They nobbled certain members of Uefa and set about a major campaign to get other PL clubs, the English press and some European clubs onside. This all but succeeded, City were found guilty of breaking the regulations, fined a fortune and chucked out of the Champs league. Naturally we appealed. Liverpool immediately organised a letter to UEFA saying we should be banned before the appeal was heard. NINE PL clubs, including Spurs, signed this letter. Nine clubs who don't believe in due process.
CAS heard the case and concluded:
1. There was NO EVIDENCE that we broke regulations. They stated this no less than 12 times in their judgement.
2. The idea that our audited accounts were not a true and fair record was just not credible.
3,The emails, cobbled together from thousands and made to look as though they were connected were dismissed as having no probitive value.
4. And in the interim case, CAS said that City could not possibly get a fair hearing from the investigatory chamber while M. Leterme was in the chair. (Wonder why they said that?!)

Despite the CAS final judgement, the press and the red shirts continue to repeat the lies. Only this week Klopp repeated that we were a state owned club. The press continue to belittle Pep's achievements "well anyone with unlimited resources could do that" Psst...We obey FFP. The Grauniad have now suggested that we bribed CAS and got off on a technicality.
Liverpool have now tried the PL regs route. This will fail.
I have left out the army of internet bots put into the field by the red shirts to spread their poison, the fact that Liverpool hacked our systems (allegedly!!), the Liverpool and Manu supporting writers who tweet anti City, anti Arab slogans weekly, the strange alliance of Qatr and a fake Indian media organization, and much more).
So, @BobbyBoy, it is quite understandable that we welcome anything that discumknockerates the red shirts and their gutless allies.

Outstanding read.........,.......

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I'm a long term browser on here, I was aware of most of that but it doesn't change my point, City as a club and you as fans will eventually suffer here. Your club is now fully self sustainable but you need success to maintain current levels. You get Pep's replacement wrong and it won't take much for you to be where Spurs are now.

I think your last sentence is more wishful thinking than reality as City are a properly run club unlike Spurs and Levy .

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

I'm a long term browser on here, I was aware of most of that but it doesn't change my point, City as a club and you as fans will eventually suffer here. Your club is now fully self sustainable but you need success to maintain current levels. You get Pep's replacement wrong and it won't take much for you to be where Spurs are now.

And thats the point...thats football...rough with the smooth....we arent looking for eternal success because we can spend what we want....if we get it wrong after Pep, then tough...we battle on and try to get it right...we compete along with everyone else

 

[I'm With Stupid]

How the hell do they expect to regulate that?

How many business acquaintances do we think this guy has?

Exactly. Let's be honest, this is nothing to do with fairness, it's about limiting the competition. Funny that no-one has an issue with Sports Direct sponsoring them, but as soon as they're owned by someone with the money to threaten the established elite, it's a big issue.

 

[Gingers Dad]

I'm not talking about now, what your selling now is not a hard sell. Back then Robinho and Toure where leaving Madrid and Barcelona (European champions). All the Arsenal lads didn't leave for the craic, the wages they were being offered far exceeded what they could get at a bigger and more successful club. Back then the vision City were selling was clear and easily obtainable, Newcastle have 3 of the worlds best teams standing in their way and a change of management at Utd would make it 4. Someone like Rice is not risking 4 years at Newcastle unless they make it "very" worth his while.

Yet it took City just 4 years after the buy out to win the Premier league despite only being able to sign mercenaries. No wonder you're shitting your self over Newcastle. You'll need a European Conference Two for you lot to see European competition soon. Going to be so funny when Sir Harry of Hotspur jumps ship for the Geordie revolution