Next GE - Starmer Labour or Tory government?

lust overlord said:
Alright I'll Indulge you briefly.

How much do you think it would cost to reopen flooded/ open new coal mines?

Who is training these intrepid new miners? Or do we just give em a pick and a shovel and tell em to crack on?

Where are we burning this coal,seeing as there is about 3 coal power stations still operational?
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i) "How much to reopen flooded/open new coal mines?" No idea, but probably less then building a nuclear power station and I would guess in less than the ten years it takes to do that!?

ii) "Who is training these intrepid new miners?" Well I got the impression that the twenty or so blokes at the National Coal Mining museum would prefer to be doing that than showing school kids down fake mines complete with plastic pit ponies & wax work victorian children. But as they were all pretty old men when I went five years ago, better we do it sooner rather than later.

iii) "Where are we burning this coal?" So build some new coal power stations then. Perhaps we shouldn't have knocked down so many coal fired power stations in the nineties and noughties on the drive for a green future so that now we buy electric energy via cables from Belgium, France and Norway at inflated prices. Oh and guess what - Belgium, France and Norway don't conjure up this energy by magic, they do it by burning fossil fuels.

Look, I know this is all nonsense by-the-way. Young British people are even less likely to work down a mine than they are to pick crops in a field. So for some reason we either import our energy from abroad, in a similar way to how soon we are going to import people to harvest the crops, Brexit or no Brexit.

Part of the problem is the field of education which is totally screwed up here. Every kid is pushed down the path of academia and schools like the one I went to - standard northern comp - have all sold off their woodwork rooms, their metal work facilities etc. etc. and just done 'design work' instead. It saves a heap of money plus no school has to worry about a silly kid getting their finger cut off in a lathe or a fight with chisels causing injury or worse and we don't need those skills anyway as everything is made in Germany or China or Taiwan anyway.

I just think what has happened these last 40-50 years is very, very sad and I rant on here and get called out for doing so, but I admit I don't really have any solutions I just hope someone else does and they will tell me and cheer me up.
 
El_george said:
i) "How much to reopen flooded/open new coal mines?" No idea, but probably less then building a nuclear power station and I would guess in less than the ten years it takes to do that!?

ii) "Who is training these intrepid new miners?" Well I got the impression that the twenty or so blokes at the National Coal Mining museum would prefer to be doing that than showing school kids down fake mines complete with plastic pit ponies & wax work victorian children. But as they were all pretty old men when I went five years ago, better we do it sooner rather than later.

iii) "Where are we burning this coal?" So build some new coal power stations then. Perhaps we shouldn't have knocked down so many coal fired power stations in the nineties and noughties on the drive for a green future so that now we buy electric energy via cables from Belgium, France and Norway at inflated prices. Oh and guess what - Belgium, France and Norway don't conjure up this energy by magic, they do it by burning fossil fuels.

Look, I know this is all nonsense by-the-way. Young British people are even less likely to work down a mine than they are to pick crops in a field. So for some reason we either import our energy from abroad, in a similar way to how soon we are going to import people to harvest the crops, Brexit or no Brexit.

Part of the problem is the field of education which is totally screwed up here. Every kid is pushed down the path of academia and schools like the one I went to - standard northern comp - have all sold off their woodwork rooms, their metal work facilities etc. etc. and just done 'design work' instead. It saves a heap of money plus no school has to worry about a silly kid getting their finger cut off in a lathe or a fight with chisels causing injury or worse and we don't need those skills anyway as everything is made in Germany or China or Taiwan anyway.

I just think what has happened these last 40-50 years is very, very sad and I rant on here and get called out for doing so, but I admit I don't really have any solutions I just hope someone else does and they will tell me and cheer me up.
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Real solutions aren't to be found on football forums :)

Anyhoo.
My take on the 3 questions
1, not 100 percent sure myself,though I'd guess at prohibitively expensive.

2,twenty or so blokes,would almost certainly be unable to train a new generation of miners.

3.Coal powerstations would still be expensive to build,as well as being a pollutant.

There was/is in fact plans to open a new coal mine in Cumbria,can't recall if this is still happening.
However I do remember the coal it would produce was metallurgical quality,for use for the production of steel etc,not power.

The truth is,we need to look at tomorrow's industries and invest in them.

The real future of mining will lie in space.
Albeit a still fairly distant future.
 
aguero93:20 said:
France mostly by nuclear tbh
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Fair enough, I did not know that. But the question remains, if the UK which I believe was second to the USSR in getting a Nuclear power station to supply energy to the grid (Calder Hall 1956) why does it now rely on French Nuclear Power for additional energy supplies, some sixty years later?

We seem to have run down everything: coal, gas, nuclear and whilst I applaud stuff like off-shore wind, onshore wind, tidal power, solar power etc. etc. those things are never going to be enough to power the country until we all learn to stop using so much power. Especially one which seems to want to expand its population year on year, even though in the 1970s population growth via birth rate had pretty much settled down to 2.2 kids per family i.e. pretty much hardly any growth at all.
 
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El_george said:
Fair enough, I did not know that. But the question remains, if the UK which I believe was second to the USSR in getting a Nuclear power station to supply energy to the grid (Calder Hall 1956) now relies on French Nuclear Power for additional energy supplies, some sixty years later?
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Dig a big fucking hole to hell and ask Thatcher about that one.
 
lust overlord said:
Real solutions aren't to be found on football forums :)

Anyhoo.
My take on the 3 questions
1, not 100 percent sure myself,though I'd guess at prohibitively expensive.

2,twenty or so blokes,would almost certainly be unable to train a new generation of miners.

3.Coal powerstations would still be expensive to build,as well as being a pollutant.

There was/is in fact plans to open a new coal mine in Cumbria,can't recall if this is still happening.
However I do remember the coal it would produce was metallurgical quality,for use for the production of steel etc,not power.

The truth is,we need to look at tomorrow's industries and invest in them.

The real future of mining will lie in space.
Albeit a still fairly distant future.
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20 museum tour guides to train an entire generation of miners as to how it was done before health and safety was a thing.

What could go wrong?!
 
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