Next Labour Leader - Miliband Resigns

[foxy]

So Jezbollah will officially apologize for the Iraq invasion if he becomes leader. Will he apologize for fraternizing with Jew haters and hate preachers?

 

[SWP's back]

Err ..... in fact it was all down to Major and Lamont desperately trying to keep the £ in the ERM even to the extent of of briefly raising interest rates to 15%. They both lost face when the markets continued to sell the £, it dropped out of the ERM limits and the boys John and Norman had to hastily reduce interest rates. It cost the country a few billion and severely damaged the Tories reputation for sound economic management.

Needs context as to why they were trying to do that.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Err ..... in fact it was all down to Major and Lamont desperately trying to keep the £ in the ERM even to the extent of of briefly raising interest rates to 15%. They both lost face when the markets continued to sell the £, it dropped out of the ERM limits and the boys John and Norman had to hastily reduce interest rates. It cost the country a few billion and severely damaged the Tories reputation for sound economic management.

It was a shame Foo Foo Lamont didn't have a History degree, he would have sorted it in five minutes flat on the back of a cig packet.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

So Jezbollah will officially apologize for the Iraq invasion if he becomes leader. Will he apologize for fraternizing with Jew haters and hate preachers?

Are you going to apologise for whoever you have met, no matter how briefly, for anything they have done?

 

[foxy]

Are you going to apologise for whoever you have met, no matter how briefly, for anything they have done?

Seems to be a bit closer than that to hate preachers. One of his aides dismissed 7/7 as a justified reaction to the Iraq war...

Jezbollah also compares US forces to ISIS. The man is deluded and too old to govern.

 

[hgblue]

Are you going to apologise for whoever you have met, no matter how briefly, for anything they have done?

You aint seen nothing yet. At the moment the tories are keeping their traps shut for fear of spooking people into not voting for Corbyn. If he's elected you can bet your life they'll be pouring over every loony left thing he's done over the last thirty years and putting that in front of the electorate for their consideration...

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Seems to be a bit closer than that to hate preachers. One of his aides dismissed 7/7 as a justified reaction to the Iraq war...

Jezbollah also compares US forces to ISIS. The man is deluded and too old to govern.

What you say is wrong.

He said "Yes they are brutal, yes some of what they have done is quite appalling. Likewise, what the Americans did in Fallujah and other places is appalling, but there has to be seen to be an acceptance of a much wider view of the world than is apparent at the present time."

Which is correct.

 

[foxy]

What you say is wrong.

He said "Yes they are brutal, yes some of what they have done is quite appalling. Likewise, what the Americans did in Fallujah and other places is appalling, but there has to be seen to be an acceptance of a much wider view of the world than is apparent at the present time."

Which is correct.

Firefights from all sides on top of ieds in Fallujah is a far from cutting hands off, throwing homosexuals from roof tops, beheading aid workers.... like I said, the old man is deluded.

 

[urban genie]

Well that's my vote cast,
Leadership election
1.Jeremy Corbyn
No second third or fouth choice voted for .
Deputy Leadership election
1.Angela Eagle
2.Stella Creasay
3.Tom Watson
4.Caroline Flint
5.Ben Bradshaw

Silly thing really though is I know someone who voted green once and put it on an official facebook share has been barred from the election.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Firefights from all sides on top of ieds in Fallujah is a far from cutting hands off, throwing homosexuals from roof tops, beheading aid workers.... like I said, the old man is deluded.

There were that many atrocities by the US in Fallujah it is difficult to know which one you are referring to. The one where there was no evidence of a firefight just 17 dead and 50 injured from a schoolhouse, whilst no US casualties.

Here is some more from the second battle

Journalists embedded with U.S. military units, although limited in what they may report, have reported the following:

• On November 8, 2004, a force of around 2,000 U.S. and 600 Iraqi troops began a concentrated assault on Fallujah with air strikes, artillery, armor, and infantry. The New York Times reported that within an hour of the start of the ground attack, troops seized the Fallujah General Hospital. "Patients and hospital employees were rushed out of rooms by armed soldiers and ordered to sit or lie on the floor while troops tied their hands behind their backs". Noam Chomsky in his book Failed States commented that according to the Geneva Conventions, medical establishments "may in no circumstance be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict." Troops seized the rail yards North of the city, and pushed into the city simultaneously from the North and West taking control of the volatile Jolan and Askari districts. By nightfall on November 9, 2004, the U.S. troops had almost reached the heart of the city. U.S. military officials stated that 1,000 to 6,000 insurgents were believed to be in the city, they appear to be organized, and fought in small groups, of three to 25. Many insurgents were believed to have slipped away amid widespread reports that the U.S. offensive was coming. During the assault, Marines and Iraqi soldiers endured sniper fire and destroyed booby traps, much more than anticipated. Ten U.S. troops were killed in the fighting and 22 wounded in the first two days of fighting. Insurgent casualty numbers were estimated at 85 to 90 killed or wounded. Several more days of fighting were anticipated as U.S. and Iraqi troops conducted house-to-house searches for weapons, booby traps, and insurgents.
• On 9 November, CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul reported the use of cluster bombs in the offensive: "The sky over Falluja seems to explode as U.S. Marines launch their much-trumpeted ground assault. War planes drop cluster bombs on insurgent positions and artillery batteries fire smoke rounds to conceal a Marine advance."
• November 10, 2004 reports by the Washington Post suggest that U.S. armed forces used white phosphorus grenades and/or artillery shells, creating walls of fire in the city. Doctors working inside Fallujah report seeing melted corpses of suspected insurgents. The use of WP ammunition was confirmed from various independent sources, including U.S. troops who had suffered WP burns due to friendly fire. On November 16, 2005 The Independent reported that Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable "disclosed that (white phosphorus) had been used to dislodge enemy fighters from entrenched positions in the city"..."We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However, it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants." But a day before, Robert Tuttle, the U.S. ambassador to London, denied that white phosphorus was deployed as a weapon: "US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons.
• On November 13, 2004 a Red Crescent convoy containing humanitarian aid was delayed from entering Fallujah by the U.S. army.
• On November 13, 2004, a U.S. Marine with 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines was videotaped killing a wounded and unarmed prisoner in a mosque. The incident, which came under investigation, created controversy throughout the world. The man was shot at close range after he and several other badly wounded Iraqi prisoners had previously been left behind overnight in the mosque by the U.S. Marines. The Marine shooting the man had been mildly injured by insurgents in the same mosque the day before. In May 2005, it was announced that the Marine would not face a court-martial. In a statement, Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, commanding general of the I Marine Expeditionary Force, said that a review of the evidence had shown that the shooting was "consistent with the established rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict."
• On November 16, 2004, a Red Cross official told Inter Press Service that "at least 800 civilians" had been killed in Fallujah and indicated that "they had received several reports from refugees that the military had dropped cluster bombs in Fallujah, and used a phosphorus weapon that caused severe burns."
• As of November 18, 2004, the U.S. military reported 1200 insurgents killed and 1000 captured. U.S. casualties were 51 killed and 425 wounded, and the Iraqi forces lost 8 killed and 43 wounded.
• On December 2, 2004, the U.S. death toll in Fallujah operation reached 71 killed.
• Some of the tactics said to be used by the insurgents included playing dead and attacking, surrendering and attacking, and rigging dead or wounded with bombs. In the November 13th incident mentioned above, the U.S. Marine alleged the insurgent was playing dead.
• Of the 100 mosques in the city, about 60 were used as fighting positions by the insurgents. The U.S. and Iraqi military swept through all mosques used as fighting positions, destroying them, leading to great resentment from local residents.
• In 2005, the U.S. military admitted that it used white phosphorus as an anti-personnel weapon in Fallujah.

On 17 May 2011, AFP reported that 21 bodies, in black body-bags marked with letters and numbers in Roman script had been recovered from a mass grave in al-Maadhidi cemetery in the centre of the city. Fallujah police chief Brigadier General Mahmud al-Essawi said that they had been blindfolded, their legs had been tied and they had suffered gunshot wounds. The Mayor, Adnan Husseini said that the manner of their killing, as well as the body bags, indicated that US forces had been responsible. Both al-Essawi and Husseini agreed that the dead had been killed in 2004. The US Military declined to comment.


Residents were allowed to return to the city in mid-December after undergoing biometric identification, provided they carry their ID cards all the time. US officials report that "more than half of Fallujah's 39,000 homes were damaged, and about 10,000 of those were destroyed." Compensation amounts to 20 percent of the value of damaged houses, with an estimated 32,000 homeowners eligible, according to Marine Lt. Col. William Brown. According to the NBC, 9,000 homes were destroyed, thousands more were damaged and of the 32,000 compensation claims only 2,500 had been paid as of April 14, 2005. According to Mike Marqusee of Iraq Occupation Focus writing in The Guardian,"Falluja's compensation commissioner has reported that 36,000 of the city's 50,000 homes were destroyed, along with 60 schools and 65 mosques and shrines". Reconstruction is only progressing slowly and mainly consists of clearing rubble from heavily-damaged areas and reestablishing basic utility services. This is also due to the fact that only 10% of the pre-offensive inhabitants had returned as of mid-January, and only 30% as of the end of March 2005.


According to professor Noam Chomsky, "Fallujah,..., was one of the worst atrocities of the 21st century.

Then you wonder why ISIS get support.
We can can go about other towns and Guantanamo but i am sure you get the picture.