Nick Griffin & the BNP

eagle said:
aphex said:
oh i agree. but there is no such thing as bad publicity. if he has to be a catalyst to get them were they want to be, there is no one better.

afterall, you are hardly going to ever change the minds of racists and their views. he has brought it to a wider audience.

I think we agree on most points other the last bit. I believe a lot of people who are overtly racist can change their minds if you engage them properly. That's my experience anyway, the ones who concern me are the ones who always say the right things, but you see a pattern where they always stitch up the black guy at work, however you would never catch them saying the N word in public.

i can see your point.

some people will be changed if you ask them. it's a simple question really 'why are you racist?' i've asked people and they really don't know why. it really is fashionable to be racist. that may sound trite, but it's true.
 
aphex said:
eagle said:
I think we agree on most points other the last bit. I believe a lot of people who are overtly racist can change their minds if you engage them properly. That's my experience anyway, the ones who concern me are the ones who always say the right things, but you see a pattern where they always stitch up the black guy at work, however you would never catch them saying the N word in public.

i can see your point.

some people will be changed if you ask them. it's a simple question really 'why are you racist?' i've asked people and they really don't know why. it really is fashionable to be racist. that may sound trite, but it's true.
Racism seems to be something that is conditioned into a person.
 
ono said:
aphex said:
i can see your point.

some people will be changed if you ask them. it's a simple question really 'why are you racist?' i've asked people and they really don't know why. it really is fashionable to be racist. that may sound trite, but it's true.
Racism seems to be something that is conditioned into a person.

thats what i posted first, but eagle is right. people can be changed if you actually ask them why.
 
ono said:
aphex said:
i can see your point.

some people will be changed if you ask them. it's a simple question really 'why are you racist?' i've asked people and they really don't know why. it really is fashionable to be racist. that may sound trite, but it's true.
Racism seems to be something that is conditioned into a person.

Yeah, I've heard different things from black friends in other European countries but in England I would contend that the "indigenous English" are decent at heart.

I know black people from Germany or the Netherlands who work in good jobs in London because they know they get a chance here even though they may have to work a little harder. Not perfect but sounds like a fair trade off .

Look at the number of black players we have, I bet 99% of fans don't care about their colour. Even if someone shouted something off I doubt they would genuinely feel racist to them. I remember when Ron Atkinson (the bloody rag) was vilified for what he said, but what a lot of people don't remember is that he gave a some black players their first break.

Black players get treated a lot better than in Europe, I;m sure you have seen the Eto & Henry videos.
 
crystal_mais said:
blueonblue said:
Banging on that the BNP is about only one policy is why they are picking up votes, while the main parties continue to ignore some very real problems and play slag each other off.

Bring back hanging?
Give teachers back control of the classroom?
link the old age pension to the real cost of living?
Start looking at the rights of the victim rather than the criminal?
Deport illiegal imigrants rather than fund their appeals?
Get out troops out of a stupid war?
Stop funding oversea`s aid while our hospitals are closing?
Stop this insane heath and safty purge on the country?

Now that lot will get peoples attention, care to have a stab at who`s election bumf that came from?, the media have run campains on all those points, and had huge public backing for most............the rise of the BNP is not because the people in this country are racist, its because they have been ignored.

I'm Asian am somebody who they are not interested in. When they are out sending leaflets and knocking on doors where I live, they tend to miss my door and some of my other non white neighbours.

I was willing to offer them a few beers and a curry after it, as it may be something they enjoy on a Friday or Saturday night.

Anyway, they are a load of bollocks and are only trying to pick up on some of the issues some parts of the UK society have gripes with.

Why don't they add to their manifesto stopping bennefits for the people who can't be arsed looking for a job, as they are better of getting benefits and sitting at home all day, or hanging around on the streets making mischief.

These are the people that think some jobs are below them as they get more on the dole and I bet you some of these vote BNP. Get the imigrants out as they are nicking our jobs!!!


some interesting points...whereabouts do you live cristal mais ?
 
Why don't they add to their manifesto stopping bennefits for the people who can't be arsed looking for a job, as they are better of getting benefits and sitting at home all day, or hanging around on the streets making mischief.

Well as that one is in there, no dobt your pleased to be agreeing with a bnp policy?

"Anyway, they are a load of bollocks and are only trying to pick up on some of the issues some parts of the UK society have gripes with".

Yes they are, its what political parties do, but honestly if you were given the list starting at bring back hanging, without being told who`s it was, how many of those policies would you agree with?.

Its never a clear cut case with politics, most people will vote for the guy who has a range of things they want rather than vote because they agree the whole lot..............and there lies the danger.
 
History tells us that far right parties gain votes in economic bad times,

I expect them to do quite well in the election purely down to a very bad turnout,

If one of the main parties had at least an idea on how to control immigration fairly I think they'd walk it.

So imo expect Griffin and and cronies to be singing from the rooftops come May because most people thought 'fuck it' and didn't bother voting.

Hopefully if this dick ever looked like getting somewhere most would be lining up at the ballot box to cast their vote against him
 
I think it was 'Aphex' who mentioned something about the COVERT racists as opposed to the OVERT racists (apologies if it was another poster and not Aphex) and I definitely concur. There are a few on here who trumphet the causes of the vile BNP in a cunning and underhand way, knowing full well that some numpties will fall for the lies and scaremongering spiel.

It's in keeping with the new tactics used by some of the more literate BNP activists (yes, there are a few...really). Look at the anti-muslim tactics at the moment. Suddenly, the BNP are trying to get Jews, Blacks and Sikhs etc onside, pretending that they are against extremist muslims and NOT others. All the old rhetoric about Jewish people, Black people, any 'non-whites' is desperately being swept under the carpet, but every other week, one of their 'leading lights' cocks up in some way or other. A simple examination of their manifesto and a little research soon shows us that they are so full of bullshit that they put a bull to shame.

A few people seem to be under the 'illusion' (either conned by the BNP or just lying because it suits their agenda) that the BNP is gaining votes and actually doing 'quite well'. Funny that, let's look at the reality, shall we?


12 Council Elections In 2010.......BNP Take Just 2,370 Votes


So, the BNP actually continues to achieve poor results. The latest council by-election on Thursday 8th April just four weeks before the 2010 General Election in the Tendering District Council Golf Green Ward (Essex), something of a target area for the BNP in 2010 gave the BNP a huge 139 votes - oh dear! Pretty shit really, eh 'boys?' (Well, there may be the odd 'girl' too, to be fair).

Let's try another example, shall we?
The British National Party (BNP) have failed to gain enough nomination forms to stand a candidate in the upcoming Mayoral race in Hackney.....ooooops...not so good for the BNP who continually claim to be gaining in support.

What about the issue of 'our' Mr. Griffin and his revamping of the party to make it APPEAR respectable (yeah right) to gain more votes? How could he do this, he must have thought....LIE ?! Yeah, why not...it does work to an extent, you know. Plenty of evidence out there of his lies, if you can be bothered to read up on him and his party. He's not the nicest of men when the camera is off though...sssshhh! Actually, he puts his foot in it a few time even when the camera is ON.

A new video of the British National Party (BNP) Leader Nick Griffin has been released in which he clearly advocates violence and the use of terrorist methods....2010 General Election candidate for Barking & Dagenham Nick Griffin, says white people “with a legitimate grievance” have the right “to hurt people, to maim and blow things up”.

BNP supporters “have a right to take up arms, arguably in fact a duty to take up arms”, using “physical force” against their enemies, he says.

Definitely not a lover of Gandhi then, eh Nick?

Not surprising really, in a week which has seen an alleged plot by the now former BNP Publicity Director Mark Collett to kill Nick Griffin.

Do any of the possible BNP converts actually realise just WHAT they are backing? The BNP does have a history of violence, you know...it's not new.

There is the recent case of BNP Wales official Roger Phillips who launched into a session of abuse towards Baroness Uddin including telling her “we're going to hang you one day.“ This attack on Baroness Uddin came shortly after it emerged that the very same Roger Phillips had been arrested and bailed in connection to his threats to kill an anti-BNP campaigner Mark Watson...

Remember David Copeland who blew up a gay pub in London?

How about Terrance Gavin who was jailed in January 2010 after the discovery of his bomb factory in his home?

Both were members of the British National party.

The BNP MEP Candidate for Suffolk in the 2009 EU Elections David Lucas is currently scheduled to face trial in July 2010 for possession of illegal explosives, guns and ammunition. Oh, by the way, David Lucas also built and sold gallows to African countries who still impose the death penalty.


Moving on, shall we highlight a few of the more oppressive BNP policies?
I mean, the BNP are trying to present an image that they care about every group (apart from the Muslims)........but...but...their policies show that they would oppress many sectors of our country...here's a brief selection from their 'not so tasty' menu:

BNP Anti Women Policies

The BNP 2007 Mini Manifesto states the following as policy:

1. Implement a regressive taxation system that will re-establish women as dependents of their husbands.

2. Repeal protection of witnesses in rape cases and reform family law to benefit men.

3. Remove the right to choose to have an abortion.

BNP Policy Against The LGBT Community

1. Repeal the Civil Partnerships Act

2. Re-Instate Section 28 Style Laws

BNP Policy on Democracy:

1. Abolish the “Human Rights Act”

2. Abolish all restrictions on traditional free speech; common law provisions against incitement to violence are the only proper limits in a free society;

3. If you do not take part in ‘Military Service’ your democratic right to vote will be removed.


What about the claims that they are not Nazis and have no sympathies with them? - another lie, Nicholas?

Andrew Brons was a member of the National Socialist Movement, a group which was deliberately founded on the date of Hitler’s birthday and which was also responsible for a number of arson attacks on synagogues in the 60s. (Hope some Jewish people note that)......Brons later became the chairman of the National Front between 1980 and 1984 and co-edited their journal New Nation. Since then, he has joined the British National Party and was elected in the Euro election in 2009 for Leeds and Humberside. Not sure he likes Dame Kelly Holmes though.

Chris Beverley is a Leeds councillor for the BNP and is their main liaison with German Nazi National Democratic Party, along with other Nazi BNP members he attended a gathering of the European National Front in 2007.


Party of the people?

Tony Lecomber (BNP):

“The rich are genetically superior to the poor.”

Simon Smith (BNP councillor):
“White working class scum will be swept away by a future BNP government.

BNP Manifesto:

“Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would not receive the citizen’s right to be armed, or right to vote.”

BNP Manifesto:

“Individuals would be free to refuse to undertake any form of National Service, but such a refusal to serve the community for the common good would result in their not being entitled to free places at university, on training courses or self-employment schemes.''

Party FOR the people?:

Councillor John Gamble (BNP)
Rotherham


No. of questions tabled to council = 0
No. of motions tabled to council = 0
No. of surgeries = 0
Allowances claimed = £10,974.00 (maximum allowed)

Councillor Will Blair (BNP)
Rotherham


No. of questions tabled to council = 0
No. of motions tabled to council = 0
No. of surgeries = 0
Allowances claimed = £10,974.00 (maximum allowed)


We could go on and on and on about this despicable party and their 'dirty tactics.' We could spend hours and hours analysing the lies and the racist hatred they are trying to engineer and spread. We could shoot down every argument from the covert BNP apologists with lucid detail and coherent proof but sometimes even clear evidence seems not to be enough for these imbeciles.

If you are still reading, you are probably growing a tad bored by now anyway, so I'll close off for now with a message that I believe the vast majority of voters will be repeating at the booths by voting for someone else...


(Not so) Dear BNP,


It's a big fuck off 'NO' from me.
 

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