Nigel Farage

[The blue phantom]

Henry Nowak was dragged across the floor, mocked and ignored when he said he’d been stabbed and left to bleed out.

Who was he dragged across the floor by?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Oh piss off yourself.
I do like news to be accurately reported.
Not misquoted or in newsnight's case the other night a vast chunk of the programme dedicated to the misquote - and character assassination of the man.
I can't stand Farage but it has to be said
The BBC used to be accurate and pretty much without noticable bias - not anymore apparently.

Why are you watching it!

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Let’s compare the response of this grifting, racist, misogynist piece of shit, not to a black American man murdered by a policeman in America but to a white British woman abducted, raped and murdered by UK policeman Wayne Couzens.

It was an horrific event and Couzens was sentenced to whole life in prison and will, hopefully, never get out,

After Couzens was convicted, the grifter issued yet another ‘address’ and said the following:

“We must not allow the tragic murder of a young woman turn into attacks on men and attacks on the police”
Not only that, he actively defended the police whilst urging the British public to stay calm and not to let this bad apples action poison the well of the police.

Compare and contrast his latest public utterances about 2 tier policing and then actually said
“The rest of us responded with pure, cold rage”

The desired riots and attacks on the police dutifully followed.

What could have motivated the grifter to have changed his approach from one senseless murder to another?
It can only be either the perpetrator of one was white and the other wasn’t or that one victim was a woman and one was a man. Sadly, it’s likely both of those things are true.
Still, nobody is asking him about £5 million anymore…

 

[mosssideblue]

Who was he dragged across the floor by?

Whoa there blue, can’t be asking the expert witness questions like that

 

[stonerblue]

I’m not a Reform voter, can’t stand Farage, I’m just sick to fucking death of the left wing hypocrisy and your inability to admit there’s any sort of problem going the other way.

You’d rather the victims just shut up and go away so you can try and pretend there’s not an issue.

Bollox. You've been defending the twat on here for 3 days now with post after post. Now you're banging on about grooming gangs.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Bollox. You've been defending the twat on here for 3 days now with post after post. Now you're banging on about grooming gangs.

"Grooming gangs" is a common issue brought up in relation to the subject of race, but there is a lack of reliable evidence that race is even relevant.

From a 2023 BBC article:

"The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:

• "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
• "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

 

[Ban-jani]

It's always whataboutery.

Learn to follow a conversation. He said the BLM response was due to a history of racism from the police, that’s correct and did happen. This is another example, similar to the worst case of police discrimination, which is how the grooming gang victims were treated.

 

[Ban-jani]

Bollox. You've been defending the twat on here for 3 days now with post after post. Now you're banging on about grooming gangs.

Bollocks have you read my posts on him calling him a **** and criticising his commons speech. You’re no longer in your echo chamber, people will disagree with you.

 

[domalino]

Black Lives Matter was due to years of racism towards Black Americans from the police. We've had police racism towards Black people too.

Also we have decades of factual evidence of minorities being treated differently to white people by the police which has been analysed endlessly by peer reviewed research.

Farage et al. Have offered absolutely zero evidence of our 92% white police force treating white people unfairly since 2020.

In fact so far, no one has managed to come up with any evidence that the policing mistakes in this case were based on race at all.

They have overlooked every other explanation - that the police walked into a situation where they had a preconceived idea of what they’d find based on the 999 call, multiple people coordinated a lie to deceive them and there was little to no evidence (no dagger, that had been hidden, no obvious signs he’d been stabbed) to counteract what they were being told.

 

[Ban-jani]

"Grooming gangs" is a common issue brought up in relation to the subject of race, but there is a lack of reliable evidence that race is even relevant.

From a 2023 BBC article:

"The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:

• "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
• "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

Why do you think it was a scandal?

 

[domalino]

Why do you think it was a scandal?

Why do you think the numerous white grooming gangs that have been discovered and prosecuted in the last 10 years weren’t a scandal?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

"Grooming gangs" is a common issue brought up in relation to the subject of race, but there is a lack of reliable evidence that race is even relevant.

From a 2023 BBC article:

"The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:

• "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
• "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

It was also barely mentioned for about 10 years (including on here) and then suddenly re-emerged as a big issue as soon as a left wing government was elected.

 

[Ban-jani]

Also we have decades of factual evidence of minorities being treated differently to white people by the police which has been analysed endlessly by peer reviewed research.

Farage et al. Have offered absolutely zero evidence of our 92% white police force treating white people unfairly since 2020.

In fact so far, no one has managed to come up with any evidence that the policing mistakes in this case were based on race at all.

They have overlooked every other explanation - that the police walked into a situation where they had a preconceived idea of what they’d find based on the 999 call, multiple people coordinated a lie to deceive them and there was little to no evidence (no dagger, that had been hidden, no obvious signs he’d been stabbed) to counteract what they were being told.

Since 2020, what happened before 2020 and what happened a fortnight ago?

By the way the policing minister has said there needs to be a review in their anti racism training. So she disagrees with you and thinks there’s something that needs changing.

The problem is you all have a rigid world view that white people oppressor and non whites are the oppressed, that has been the case normally in the UK and Western World generally but it’s not the case every single time and there are examples of it being reversed systematically. The issue is a number of you that post in here won’t ever see it that way.

 

[Ban-jani]

Why do you think the numerous white grooming gangs that have been discovered and prosecuted in the last 10 years weren’t a scandal?

Because they weren’t covered up by the authorities. Easy. That’s the whole fucking point, they were arrested, tried and convicted. Their victims were taken seriously.

You’re probably the most switched on out of all the people arguing with me here, I can’t for a second believe you don’t know that.

 

[domalino]

the way the policing minister has said there needs to be a review in their anti racism training. So she disagrees with you and thinks there’s something that needs changing.

So if the review comes back and says they’ve found no evidence their anti racism training biases police officers against white people will you accept it? Like fuck you will.

 

[domalino]

The problem is you all have a rigid world view that white people oppressor and non whites are the oppressed, that has been the case normally in the UK and Western World generally but it’s not the case every single time

So having argued that the oppression of white people by our police is systemic, when asked for the evidence of this systemic bias and not being able to provide any, you’re now claiming it’s simply possible that in any given situation a police officer might have racial bias?

Because those are 2 very different arguments and mutually exclusive.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Why do you think the numerous white grooming gangs that have been discovered and prosecuted in the last 10 years weren’t a scandal?

Mainly because they weren't sensationalised in the media.

 

[domalino]

Because they weren’t covered up by the authorities. Easy. That’s the whole fucking point, they were arrested, tried and convicted. Their victims were taken seriously.

You’re probably the most switched on out of all the people arguing with me here, I can’t for a second believe you don’t know that.

Of course they were. There’s whole mountains of proof behind them too. North Wales children’s homes, Islington children’s homes, the CoE.

White perpetrators, covered up by the authorities at the time.

 

[Ban-jani]

So if the review comes back and says they’ve found no evidence their anti racism training biases police officers against white people will you accept it? Like fuck you will.

I could level the same accusation at you, what if it comes back and says the training did lead to conscious or subconscious bias? You’ll probably accuse the far right of conducting the review.

The pattern of behaviour in Nowak’s case follows a pattern repeated many times in the Grooming Gang Scandal.

- police arrive on scene
- perpetrators lie about receiving racism
- racism accusation taken more seriously than risk to health
- actual victim ignored, sometimes mocked

The key difference here is Henry lost consciousness and despite being useless and initially not believing him, the female officer was less useless and eventually properly checked his eyes. With the GGS the victims were repeatedly raped after having their claims ignored.

 

[Ban-jani]

Mainly because they weren't sensationalised in the media.

No. Because it wasn’t covered up by the authorities and left to happen.

You lot either don’t know this and are incredibly ignorant, or you do know this and are lying about it.

I’m not sure which is worse, probably the latter.