Nils Zander signed [Merged]

[stockportblue]

As i understand it City have some good English/British lads around 14/15-the foreign lads from Zander to Mak to Weiss are to fill a void until the younger lads come through.Arsenal did the same with Fabregas and others until their present group came through and now dont rely so much on overseas recruitment although they have a dutch midfield player and spanish centre half in the current u16 age group.

Closer to home they also have Kyle Bartley a stockport lad in their under 18 side!!!!!

 

[moomba]

They had no choice but to accept the price, if a youth player wants to go at the end of his youth contract before he signs the big professional one then it is upto them, Schalke had no say in the matter and no choice but to accept a compensation package from City.

You have no idea if that is the case. We could have made Shalke an offer they found quite acceptable, the fact that they haven't (as yet) whinged about it suggests that is quite a possible scenario.

 

[yerwot?]

youth development in the U.K is still cursed by the "fancy dan" syndrome . skill gets ignored by the quest for raw strength .Its why the national team has been poor for so long .1966 not excepted . Jack charlton and nobby stiles typify an english type player . the prem has been changed for the good by foreign managers . when we get foreign coaches in the youth set-up we will see a huge improvement

 

[Anonymous]

They had no choice but to accept the price, if a youth player wants to go at the end of his youth contract before he signs the big professional one then it is upto them, Schalke had no say in the matter and no choice but to accept a compensation package from City.

You have no idea if that is the case. We could have made Shalke an offer they found quite acceptable, the fact that they haven't (as yet) whinged about it suggests that is quite a possible scenario.

Yes i do have an idea about what goes on. You cannot buy anyone 16 years or under. If a player under 16 decides to move clubs a copensation package has to be agreed between the two clubs on the basis of how many years he has been there and how much that club has been a key factor in the players development. We didn't buy Daniel Sturridge for 40k, the 40k was a compensation package. Just because the clubs haven't "whinged" about it doesn't mean they are happy. Stuttgart weren't very happy at us "poaching" their 16 year old keeper Loris Karius last month.

 

[Anonymous]

youth development in the U.K is still cursed by the "fancy dan" syndrome . skill gets ignored by the quest for raw strength .Its why the national team has been poor for so long .1966 not excepted . Jack charlton and nobby stiles typify an english type player . the prem has been changed for the good by foreign managers . when we get foreign coaches in the youth set-up we will see a huge improvement

Spot on 100%. This is why when the youth players become 16 year olds, the club shits itself and goes signing some of the best talent around the world because they haven't produced any decent players. It is lazy and English clubs only get away with it because of how much money we have.

 

[moomba]

Yes i do have an idea about what goes on. You cannot buy anyone 16 years or under. If a player under 16 decides to move clubs a copensation package has to be agreed between the two clubs on the basis of how many years he has been there and how much that club has been a key factor in the players development. We didn't buy Daniel Sturridge for 40k, the 40k was a compensation package.

It's exactly the same thing. If we want to pay a club money for a player of theirs, and they are willing to sell (because the money is worth more than the player) then there is no problem. Walcott was still 16 when he signed for Arsenal, so I' not sure where this ruling that you can't buy anyone 16 or under comes from.

Just because the clubs haven't "whinged" about it doesn't mean they are happy. Stuttgart weren't very happy at us "poaching" their 16 year old keeper Loris Karius last month.

Whinge about Karius then, that signing has nothing to do with this one.

 

[kiam06]

According to the Mirror and Star Nils Zander thought he was joing Chelsea and they have said he is past it.

The Sun reckon City are ruining football with this move.

 

[Anonymous]

It's exactly the same thing. If we want to pay a club money for a player of theirs, and they are willing to sell (because the money is worth more than the player) then there is no problem. Walcott was still 16 when he signed for Arsenal, so I' not sure where this ruling that you can't buy anyone 16 or under comes from.

No it is not the same thing. You are getting youth players mixed up with professionals. You cannot buy youth players, if you want a youth player you either have to wave enough money in the face of the player to pursuade him to sign for you when he is eligible to sign a professioanl contract and pay the club a smaller compensation package or you agree to a compensation package with the club which will be alot more.

Walcott was 16 when he signed for Arsenal and his compensation package was agreed between the two clubs of £5m with another £7.5m being paid when he signed his professional contract.

So like i have said all along, you cannot buy youth players, you can agree to compensation packages of 10k or 100m but you cannot buy them.

All we have done with Nils Zander and the keeper is pay a compensation package which is why there is no fee mentioned or even the famous "undisclosed fee".

 

[stockportblue]

All the people who have posted on here please tell me your credentials to talk about youth development in the uk?-anybody on here witha uefa A licence?-anybody who coaches a satellite premiership academy?

 

[bizzbo]

I'm fairly neutral about Hughes, but he seriously needs to re-think his strategy about the Academy set up, cause JC is very likely to leave in the next few months.

this subject is never far below the surface. what on earth has been going on that could make JC so unhappy?

the politics of it are baffling to me.

Khaldoun talks about the importance of the academy at every opportunity.


i hope im not being overly optimistic, but i can see this one being sorted out somewhat.
i would have thought that at the moment mark hughes is not in a position where he has accrued enough authority to have his own way on every aspect of the club. it may be that he is not here next year. cook, and marwood surely have to follow Khaldouns lead. as much as mark hughes may have taken a decisive role in shaping much of the off-the-field development of the club, I dont see how he is in a position to force through things that the academy strongly object to. whatever those things may be. bloody hell. city politics.