no charges against riot police

[mat]

did you really think there be ??

I thought some form of charges would be brought. It was a thuggish asault on a guy who was walking away.

Question number one.

Why did the police put black tape accross their uniform numbers?

There doing it as a protest as people are turning the tables on them by constantly filming them the way they film us at demos. I lost count how many of the feckers had camcorders on it (on both sides).

 

[jamiegrimble]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3mStPPCXyU[/youtube]

 

[BimboBob]

I thought some form of charges would be brought. It was a thuggish asault on a guy who was walking away.

Question number one.

Why did the police put black tape accross their uniform numbers?

There doing it as a protest as people are turning the tables on them by constantly filming them the way they film us at demos. I lost count how many of the feckers had camcorders on it (on both sides).

A protest?

Let's get a sense of perspective here...

The police on the whole do a great job. Underfunded, understaffed and spend a lot of their time filling in pointless forms because the powers that be demand it.

This man was walking home from work and on the fringes of the protest. He was pushed to the ground. He then had a heart attack a few hours later. A few questions remain...

Why, when realising what was going on did he not just turn round and find another route?
Why was a police officer suspended for 'pushing' a man over who, by the look of the video, was loitering around?
Why, if there was no case for the CPS to take this officer to court is he being internally disciplined?

 

[Rob J]

There doing it as a protest as people are turning the tables on them by constantly filming them the way they film us at demos. I lost count how many of the feckers had camcorders on it (on both sides).

A protest?

Let's get a sense of perspective here...

The police on the whole do a great job. Underfunded, understaffed and spend a lot of their time filling in pointless forms because the powers that be demand it.

This man was walking home from work and on the fringes of the protest. He was pushed to the ground. He then had a heart attack a few hours later. A few questions remain...

Why, when realising what was going on did he not just turn round and find another route?
Why was a police officer suspended for 'pushing' a man over who, by the look of the video, was loitering around?
Why, if there was no case for the CPS to take this officer to court is he being internally disciplined?

when im next at coms i must make sure i dont stand about outside or a copper justifiably may give me a smack.

have you watched the footage of the guy being pushed over? that was an unprovoked attack. at the end of the footage at the end of the street there are other people stood about. why didn't the police carry on and start twatting them as well because imo they were loitering
im not saying it was easy for the police in fact i would think it was pretty fucking difficult. in that same c4 footage a policeman got punched in the face in an unprovoked attack. now if the coward who threw the punch was identifiable he'd be in court so why not that thug of a copper?

in answer to your points

1- it was the fringes of the protest. as i said there were other people stood around no more than ten yards away

2- unprovoked attack on a member of the general public who had his hands in his pockets back turned to the police and was walking away as instructed

3- the reason the cps didnt take it any further was that three different post mortems on the dead man gave three different explanations for his death. the cps judged that it was a very weak case for a manslaughter or murder charge. the policeman is being disciplined because of the reason in answer 2


i have had in the past and still have relatives in the police so really i should be pro them. but i am absolutely fucking disgusted with this incident

 

[stonerblue]

It's important to seperate your everyday copper from the riot police known as the TSG (or whatever they've just changed it to).

Most of them volunteer for the unit and enjoy a good dust-up. That's fine when they're faced with a mob of rangers fans or a crew of lads. But when they're un-leashed on peaceful protestors and innocent 'civilians' their tactics and, shall we call it enthusiasm, usually result in anger, confrontation and cracked heads.

 

[BimboBob]

It's important to seperate your everyday copper from the riot police known as the TSG (or whatever they've just changed it to).

Most of them volunteer for the unit and enjoy a good dust-up. That's fine when they're faced with a mob of rangers fans or a crew of lads. But when they're un-leashed on peaceful protestors and innocent 'civilians' their tactics and, shall we call it enthusiasm, usually result in anger, confrontation and cracked heads.

That's the trouble though. If it was a bunch of peaceful protesters and innocent civilians then i would be shouting about police brutality.

 

[scall11]

On that Channel 4 footage, the guy is shown loitering around on the fringes of a riot, and the later shot shows the actual pushing.

The police were advancing down the street, he was crossing their path, taking it slow. Now I'm sure I read he was quite drunk at the time, which would explain why he was walking so slowly.

But the police weren't to know that. They were in the middle of a public order situation (riot) and all the time they are trying to push protestors back. This guy walks in front of their path, without any urgency and could be mistaken for trying to provoke the police by walking slowly, getting in their way. That's how someone could see it.

Bear in mind, the police were on high alert, they'd been involved in skirmishes all day, and no were jumpy.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if you are in the area of a riot, and you don't want to be involved, then walk away from it. This footage shows he was loitering around the area before the incident.

If I was involved in a riot, as a protestor or whatever, and it started to get ugly, I'd walk away. Because sooner or later the police are going to retaliate (as is their duty to restore order and quite simply to show people who's boss...they don't have time to differentiate between who's been giving it some all day and who's just protesting). Because they need to be seen to giving a bit of authority back to show people that they're not to be reckoned with, which is the whole backbone of restoring order in a riot.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy shouldn't have been there at the time if he didn't want to risk physical reaction from the police, it was a riot. The police are slowly getting their powers eroded away, powers which we need to keep order.

 

[BimboBob]

On that Channel 4 footage, the guy is shown loitering around on the fringes of a riot, and the later shot shows the actual pushing.

The police were advancing down the street, he was crossing their path, taking it slow. Now I'm sure I read he was quite drunk at the time, which would explain why he was walking so slowly.

But the police weren't to know that. They were in the middle of a public order situation (riot) and all the time they are trying to push protestors back. This guy walks in front of their path, without any urgency and could be mistaken for trying to provoke the police by walking slowly, getting in their way. That's how someone could see it.

Bear in mind, the police were on high alert, they'd been involved in skirmishes all day, and no were jumpy.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if you are in the area of a riot, and you don't want to be involved, then walk away from it. This footage shows he was loitering around the area before the incident.

If I was involved in a riot, as a protestor or whatever, and it started to get ugly, I'd walk away. Because sooner or later the police are going to retaliate (as is their duty to restore order and quite simply to show people who's boss...they don't have time to differentiate between who's been giving it some all day and who's just protesting). Because they need to be seen to giving a bit of authority back to show people that they're not to be reckoned with, which is the whole backbone of restoring order in a riot.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy shouldn't have been there at the time if he didn't want to risk physical reaction from the police, it was a riot. The police are slowly getting their powers eroded away, powers which we need to keep order.

This was what i was leading to but didn't have the brain power to type. Thank you Scall.

 

[stonerblue]

It's important to seperate your everyday copper from the riot police known as the TSG (or whatever they've just changed it to).

Most of them volunteer for the unit and enjoy a good dust-up. That's fine when they're faced with a mob of rangers fans or a crew of lads. But when they're un-leashed on peaceful protestors and innocent 'civilians' their tactics and, shall we call it enthusiasm, usually result in anger, confrontation and cracked heads.

That's the trouble though. If it was a bunch of peaceful protesters and innocent civilians then i would be shouting about police brutality.

The vast majority at that particular protest were peaceful protestors until they were treated like cattle, rounded up and forced into a holding area for hours without water by the riot squad.
Tomlinson was an innocent bystander walking away from the copper that hit him.

 

[ElanJo]

On that Channel 4 footage, the guy is shown loitering around on the fringes of a riot, and the later shot shows the actual pushing.

The police were advancing down the street, he was crossing their path, taking it slow. Now I'm sure I read he was quite drunk at the time, which would explain why he was walking so slowly.

But the police weren't to know that. They were in the middle of a public order situation (riot) and all the time they are trying to push protestors back. This guy walks in front of their path, without any urgency and could be mistaken for trying to provoke the police by walking slowly, getting in their way. That's how someone could see it.

Bear in mind, the police were on high alert, they'd been involved in skirmishes all day, and no were jumpy.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, if you are in the area of a riot, and you don't want to be involved, then walk away from it. This footage shows he was loitering around the area before the incident.

If I was involved in a riot, as a protestor or whatever, and it started to get ugly, I'd walk away. Because sooner or later the police are going to retaliate (as is their duty to restore order and quite simply to show people who's boss...they don't have time to differentiate between who's been giving it some all day and who's just protesting). Because they need to be seen to giving a bit of authority back to show people that they're not to be reckoned with, which is the whole backbone of restoring order in a riot.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy shouldn't have been there at the time if he didn't want to risk physical reaction from the police, it was a riot. The police are slowly getting their powers eroded away, powers which we need to keep order.

You're really attempting to excuse this?