No More Champions League For Me

KippaxCitizen said:
moomba said:
mrtwiceaseason said:
Difficult to tell off the TV but did the Bayern fans give up or were they good ?
What I do hope is if city progress. the fans with high points dont suddenly show an interest and start going and get tickets over the guys that stuck with it on low points .this would be very unfair you have watched the shite .you should get priority even for the final imo

Fans with high points have watched plenty of shite, and fully deserve a ticket to the final.
But what about those who were religiously watching the shite in the 80s and 90s before points came in and then maybe started families in the 2000s and didn't amass a great deal of points?

There's no difference between them and those with 13000 points, for me.

My Dad stopped going in 2007, after going straight through almost non-stop since the 1960s. I've got loads more points than him though as I've been going right through out loyalty points era. Loyalty Points don't really represent a great deal for me. He had forty+ years of watching City to my twenty five. I'm not more deserving of tickets than him just because I have more points.

Loyalty Points don't mean a great deal to me. They don't particularly represent loyalty, they just represent a certain group of people who just by chance were of the right age and had the spare cash to go to football matches when earning points to do so were a thing.


EDIT... I've just got what you're on about!... Yes, people with loyalty points deserve to go to finals over people who've only just started going to City because we're good.

to be fair some of us have done it all. the 60's, the shite of the 80/90's and now have points galore from the loyalt system. city are just city, you go if you can and miss when you can't. what comp or division is irrellevent. its a benefit of being old :0)
 
Well I for one am glad we beat Bayern again, last game now has something riding on it for the travelling fans as well as those who will be watching back home. Europe serves up another type of football compared to the Premier league IMO, you can't rest in CL footie!
 
Seeing City performing at their peak in Europe is the next challenge

We've played poorly, and we've faced sanctions for displacing one of the Sky 4 and threatening the rest, all the more reason to see City come out on top in the end.
 
I can't stand the Champions League! I have to say that I would not dream of missing a match between City and any of the teams who are widely thought to be "the best in Europe". I readily accept Bayern as one of, probably, two teams who are actually the best in Europe. Tuesday's match was as dramatic as one could hope such a game could be and I was thrilled and really proud that our team beat Bayern, but if we'd lost I'd have kicked the wall, accepted Bayern's quality and waited for next time. What I can't accept is that the CL has any validity. It is not fit to claim to be a tournament worthy of Europe's best (or even Europe's not so good!) We begin with the seeding - what more can be said of that exercise in inanity - and then we decide whih teams can choose from 25 players and which from only 21. And now we'd better consider wild cards for those great teams who aren't good enough actually to qualify. What a load of bollocks.
 
It's the pinnacle despite the BS that surrounds the competition. City could turn their backs on it but the danger is that we would become another Celtic or Rangers.
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
I can't stand the Champions League! I have to say that I would not dream of missing a match between City and any of the teams who are widely thought to be "the best in Europe". I readily accept Bayern as one of, probably, two teams who are actually the best in Europe. Tuesday's match was as dramatic as one could hope such a game could be and I was thrilled and really proud that our team beat Bayern, but if we'd lost I'd have kicked the wall, accepted Bayern's quality and waited for next time. What I can't accept is that the CL has any validity. It is not fit to claim to be a tournament worthy of Europe's best (or even Europe's not so good!) We begin with the seeding - what more can be said of that exercise in inanity - and then we decide whih teams can choose from 25 players and which from only 21. And now we'd better consider wild cards for those great teams who aren't good enough actually to qualify. What a load of bollocks.

absolutly on the money.
 
"On the money" is the right answer, de Niro, because it is what drives the top teams to stay at the top. CL money is massive compared to the Europa league and mental compared to not being in it.

The Sheikh has built a self-sustaining model built on CL revenues, like it or not. He has not ploughs a billion into the club and it's future only to say "Fuck it, the Chumps Lge is bent, I want no part of it!" Every business in the world is bent and football is no different...it is just bent on a different scale than it was in the 70s!

We need to get over our precious selves when it comes the CL. It is THE football competition to be in and we need to embrace the suck that has been city in it for the past few years and simply improve! If we were playing on a level of Barca, Real, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea, we would all over this competition like white on rice, but because we sputter and because we have yet to go deep, we ACT like we don't care!

Bollocks!

I remember the it a euro nights against the likes of Gornik, ffs! What would be the attendance for a game against a team like that today? How cheap would the tickets have to be?!

And therein lies the rub! The CL is all about MONEY, and many, many True Blue City fans simply do not have enough to cover the Prem, League Cup, FA Cup, and Champions League.

So, the owners have a dilemma...do they ignore that simple fact, do they make the Lge Cup and FA Cup dirty cheap so we fill the stadium, do they make ALL tickets less expensive, what do they do?

We have bandied that around on here until the cows come home, but there needs to be a multi-layered strategy to aid BOTH the club and the fans. What that is, or should be, is hard to know without seeing the books.

All I can say is that if we are going to have a 62,000 seater stadium, we have to get the balance right for the people who want to turn up every game, or for the vast majority of them. Corporate sponsorship revenues make ticket revenues pale in comparison, so we need to push that as hard as it can go and use it as an offset against lowering ticket prices.

In fact, we should have a £20/15/10/5 (Middle tier, Upper, Lower, Kids & OAPs) ticket pricing policy for Cup Games, with that maybe slightly raised a few quid for the CL games. This would better allow the locals to see games, and there would still be plenty of "away day" tickets for the corporate plans that help cover the costs of lower tickets for all.

Another thing could be a "Friendly Competitor" policy, whereby City offer those cut rate prices to their competitors, as long as they do the same for the City away allocation...so that City fans that go away only pay what away fans pay in our ground.

Regardless of what it is, something has to be done and City, under the current leadership, could lead the way and get some positive press out of it, too! And, when they open the new third tiers, City could make the announcement that new ticket prices for next season and beyond will not only be lowered, but their season on season increase will be capped at £X or X% per year. That would help everyone plan accordingly and know that what they could and could not afford.

There are simple and elegant solutions to pricing, but someone at the club needs to have the conviction and foresight to make the leap. Another thing we should do is make City fan gear more affordable at the City Store. When I go online and look at pricing, especially when I compare it to regular pricing in America in dollars, it is simply ridiculously priced. Maybe, with a ticket, we could provide a credit system, whereby a Season Ticket holder gets a better % discount upto a certain sales level! then it kicks up a notch to a higher %, this making more fear more affordable.

Another system would be that on a matchday, your ticket is a discount coupon. It would get people in the store, get people to the games earlier, and it might just provide the fan with an excellent offset to their ticket price if they could buy a ticket for £20 and save £10-20 on buying a City shirt for that game.

Tiered pricing is also another marketing strategy, whereby those games that are less desirable and attract less fans have a higher matchday ticket % savings. Scan your matchday ticket against West Brom, and save 20% instead of the 10% you get against Liverpool, for instance.

All of these things return VALUE to the fan, while also driving matchday revenues. Simple and straightforward ideas that can separate City, as a family club, from other clubs.
 
All those that only want "domestic" football forget one slight issue, the players we have, are here for the CL success as well as PL success, and if we don't take the CL seriously as a club, then we wouldn't have this quality of player, and we wouldn't have any domestic success either.

Its that simple.
 

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