Non City Related Rumours/Gossip.....

[FantasyIreland]

Barcelona have Signed Jordi Alba from Valencia.

For approx 12m....

Steal of the century.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Barcelona have Signed Jordi Alba from Valencia.

Valencia are the living proof that fair play can't work. The idiots at UEFA who say a club should grow organically, should look at the list of players cherry-picked from that club by the elite over the last few years.

Organic my arse, the only way is what we've done and it is now impossible.

should have managed their finances better in the boom times, their own fault.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

first 3 were donkeys years ago, and the rest of them since the old generation ended have won the square root of fuck all, apart from Sami who came to us.

Plus, there's a difference from buying from Ajax, Marseille and Barca to buying from Montpellier, a Bayern reject from Koln and a lad from Rennes, you always wonder why like M'Vila they haven't had a big move already or if they're a 1 season wonder.

Lauren, Vieira & Henry were years ago yes. They were also half decent at the time of purchase but they went on to win Premier League titles and Vieira & henry went on to be World Class players.

Giroud moved to Montpellier in 2010 from a lower league club and has spearheaded his unfancied team to the title ahead of PSG, Lyon & the like. As a result he's earned himself a big move to the Premiership. Yes, he's unproven in the Premiership, so was Kompany. Look how that turned out?

Podolski has a great scoring record in the Bundesliga and for Germany where he has nearly a 1 in 2 ratio. He's had arguably a better career than Lavezzi, who's a similar age, yet people were creaming over the thought of him to City.

As for M'Vila, well he's young, played at every level for France from the U16's and wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at City in 4 years if past experience of Arsenal being City's feeder club is anything to go by.

My point being in response to you saying "Typical buying half decent but 'never done it' players" Yes, it's not a Ronaldo or a Messi or an Iniesta, but they all have the potential to be very good players just like a lot of the City targets we have mentioned in the transfer forum and it doesn't have to be a superstar signing to be a success.

Kompany came from Hamburg, much bigger club than Montpellier, and before that Anderlecht, the biggest club in Belgium. Not sure why Lauren was brought up, but he did well but not memorable, Henry came from Juve and Vieira from Milan, so Arsenal's buying prowess has dropped considerably, Podolski to this point is a 1 club and country man, Giroud is unproven and they won't keep Van Persie. M'Vila struggled a lot on the bigger stage this summer and will likely be their biggest signing so there'll be a hell of lot expected of him.

The same 1 club man that is Podolski who played 71 games for Bayern Munich between 06 and 09? I agree he's made his name more at Koln but that hardly makes him a one club player. Plus, if he can cut the mustard at international level with a goalscoring record Messi & Ronaldo would be proud of, then It's not as if their buying a completely unproven player who's not competed at a high level is it?

Vieira did come from Milan yes, after spending a year there and amassing a whole 2 games. He was a complete unknown at the time and went on to be world class. Similar with Henry in that yes, he came from a big club in Juventus. Although he'd only played 16 games and was there for less than a year.

It doesn't matter too much what team they've come from, more a case of how they've performed and what potential they have.

Hazard played at Lille yet the majority wanted him. Lille aren't a big club are they? Hazard was unproven too in a big league.

At the end of the day, Giroud, Podolski & M'Vila are signings on a similar level to Kompany, de Jong & Dzeko. All players with potential to grow into better players. It's certainly worked for Kompany. Dzeko has still scored 1 in 3 for City and de Jong has certainly played his part in City's rise.

There's no reason why Arsenal signings and possible new signing in M'Vila can't go on to great things and I certainly class them as very good deals.

 

[City Raider]

Barcelona have Signed Jordi Alba from Valencia.

Valencia are the living proof that fair play can't work. The idiots at UEFA who say a club should grow organically, should look at the list of players cherry-picked from that club by the elite over the last few years.

Organic my arse, the only way is what we've done and it is now impossible.

should have managed their finances better in the boom times, their own fault.

everton manage their finances properly - rooney cherrypicked, so do arsenal - fabregas cherrypicked

how are teams supposed to manage growth when managing your finances properly more often than not leads to trophyless teams

top players don't want to play for teams who manage their finances properly

 

[bluemoondays]

I'd say Wenger is losing his way a bit in the transfer market over the last few years. Not saying he's done 'really' badly (like Dalglish) but he doesn't appear to be buying recently players that will greatly appreciate in value. Since Nasri/Sagna in 07/08 I'd say he's done OK but can't see him making a fortune on the latest batch over the last few years.

Of course, a few of the kids could surprise us or even one of his buys may come good like Henry.

A lot of his goodwill with the board (and even some fans) is based on him achieving decent results/positions whilst balancing the books or even making a slight profit. If he fails in one or the other his position will become dodgy, even a lot of arsenal fans are starting to question why no silverware for 7 years.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Valencia are the living proof that fair play can't work. The idiots at UEFA who say a club should grow organically, should look at the list of players cherry-picked from that club by the elite over the last few years.

Organic my arse, the only way is what we've done and it is now impossible.

should have managed their finances better in the boom times, their own fault.

everton manage their finances properly - rooney cherrypicked, so do arsenal - fabregas cherrypicked

how are teams supposed to manage growth when managing your finances properly more often than not leads to trophyless teams

top players don't want to play for teams who manage their finances properly

Everton haven't got a pot to piss in.

so what you're saying is that clubs with more money shouldn't buy good players from clubs with no money?

right...want to know how long half the clubs in Europe would last?

 

[City Raider]

should have managed their finances better in the boom times, their own fault.

everton manage their finances properly - rooney cherrypicked, so do arsenal - fabregas cherrypicked

how are teams supposed to manage growth when managing your finances properly more often than not leads to trophyless teams

top players don't want to play for teams who manage their finances properly

Everton haven't got a pot to piss in.

so what you're saying is that clubs with more money shouldn't buy good players from clubs with no money?

right...want to know how long half the clubs in Europe would last?

putting words in my mouth? where the hell have i said that lol

i'm saying one of the drivers behind financial fair play is uefa's insistance clubs grow within means - how can they do that over the long term when whenever they have a great player, the top clubs just swoop in

the only way to truly compete and for it to be sustainable is to blitz spend at the beginning which is now impossible

valencia are a club that prove all this, as are we

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

everton manage their finances properly - rooney cherrypicked, so do arsenal - fabregas cherrypicked

how are teams supposed to manage growth when managing your finances properly more often than not leads to trophyless teams

top players don't want to play for teams who manage their finances properly

Everton haven't got a pot to piss in.

so what you're saying is that clubs with more money shouldn't buy good players from clubs with no money?

right...want to know how long half the clubs in Europe would last?

putting words in my mouth? where the hell have i said that lol

i'm saying one of the drivers behind financial fair play is uefa's insistance clubs grow within means - how can they do that over the long term when whenever they have a great player, the top clubs just swoop in

the only way to truly compete and for it to be sustainable is to blitz spend at the beginning which is now impossible

valencia are a club that prove all this, as are we

No they don't. Both Valencia and Everton have debts they can only service by selling players, they've over extended themselves and now have to cut their cloth accordingly in order to survive.

If they'd managed their finances properly in the boom period they'd be much better off now, it is in no way a reflection of FFPR that these clubs are struggling, though their future growth may well be hampered by it.

Valencia spent vast swathes of money on average players that didn't get them up to Barca and Real level and now they suffer as a result.

 

[City Raider]

Everton haven't got a pot to piss in.

so what you're saying is that clubs with more money shouldn't buy good players from clubs with no money?

right...want to know how long half the clubs in Europe would last?

putting words in my mouth? where the hell have i said that lol

i'm saying one of the drivers behind financial fair play is uefa's insistance clubs grow within means - how can they do that over the long term when whenever they have a great player, the top clubs just swoop in

the only way to truly compete and for it to be sustainable is to blitz spend at the beginning which is now impossible

valencia are a club that prove all this, as are we

No they don't. Both Valencia and Everton have debts they can only service by selling players, they've over extended themselves and now have to cut their cloth accordingly in order to survive.

If they'd managed their finances properly in the boom period they'd be much better off now, it is in no way a reflection of FFPR that these clubs are struggling, though their future growth may well be hampered by it.

Valencia spent vast swathes of money on average players that didn't get them up to Barca and Real level and now they suffer as a result.

Sorry but I find that such a superior attitude, how dare they spend 'vast swathes', they should know their place. What have we been doing? The only way to compete is to spend vast swathes, that's the whole point.

Interested to know when Everton's 'boom' period was?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

putting words in my mouth? where the hell have i said that lol

i'm saying one of the drivers behind financial fair play is uefa's insistance clubs grow within means - how can they do that over the long term when whenever they have a great player, the top clubs just swoop in

the only way to truly compete and for it to be sustainable is to blitz spend at the beginning which is now impossible

valencia are a club that prove all this, as are we

No they don't. Both Valencia and Everton have debts they can only service by selling players, they've over extended themselves and now have to cut their cloth accordingly in order to survive.

If they'd managed their finances properly in the boom period they'd be much better off now, it is in no way a reflection of FFPR that these clubs are struggling, though their future growth may well be hampered by it.

Valencia spent vast swathes of money on average players that didn't get them up to Barca and Real level and now they suffer as a result.

Sorry but I find that such a superior attitude, how dare they spend 'vast swathes', they should know their place. What have we been doing? The only way to compete is to spend vast swathes, that's the whole point.

Interested to know when Everton's 'boom' period was?

now who's putting words in others mouths?

I said they spent vast swathes, as it happened they couldn't afford to, which is now why they have to sell their best now, not superior, but we have the money to spend, they clearly didn't.

Boom period for football and finances, not for Everton, but they didn't take advantage like some other clubs did, I hate FFPR as much as the next guy but acting like Valencia and Everton are hard done by is bullshit, both are in sizeable debt and need to manage it by selling players, it's their own fault.