North Korea

[Blue Smarties]

Who here has been to North Korea? Just wondering if people get their opinions from television and internet or actual first hand experience .

I think I've been.

Mental night out?

Yeah mate, not sure where I ended up. Think it could have been Japan or China.

 

[rick773]

Where is more free than the US?

Are you fucking joking? The American government under the NDAA has given itself powers of indefinite detention and the right to kill US citizens on its own soil without a trial. It has ridiculous levels of snooping power as well courtesy of the Patriot Act - what a classically Orwellian name. It doesn't get more draconian than that. Add that to the fact that the police get away with shooting innocent people on a regular basis, the drinking age is 21 and gambling is illegal in most states, it has the biggest prison population in the world, absolute and per capita. Tell me where the freedom is? America is the least free western country, without question. Anyone who thinks America is some bastion of freedom is no friend of liberty.

Let me just log onto my favourite torrent sites and download a few movies on the topic , oh wait they all seem to be blocked here . Also pretty sure America doesn't have CCTV cams on basically every inch of public space . Lets ask mark Duggan what he thinks of the police killing innocent people. Although I'm basically a degenerate gambler I'd hardly use the mid afternoon ladbrokes crowd as an example of freedom. Anyway damn I wasn't trying to defend america's shitty policies or its racist justice system , just that on a personal day to day level America feels more "free" to me than other places I've been.

 

[inchy14]

Which country has an all you can eat breakfast for Under $5.00?

The same one that imposes food sanctions on the other to prevent that from being possible ??? ;)

I'm pretty certain the US hasn't imposed food sanctions on anybody. I do accept that other sanctions sometimes have what you and I would consider undesirable consequences, maybe these are desirable/foreseeable for the US, but the fact is when you want to bring change you need a stick not a feather. Unsettle the population you unsettle the leaders, I don't think that is a strategy that would work in North Koreas case.

Is it acceptable for the US to pick an choose who should have nuclear weapons? Yes. Ideological stances around self determination and fair play have to be put to one side when we are talking of these weapons. We already have two countries (India/Pakistan) that have nuclear weapons and indicated they were prepared to use them in their spat of words a couple of years ago. Iran wants and will probably get, and whilst we are deeply distrustful of that regime I think the bigger concerns are it will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. With North Korea they have said they would strike pre-emptively, they are unpredictable, they have a track record of firing weapons (SK navy vessel sunk, cross border shelling), if we let them get too far down the line they will bring us to the brink...their people are starving they will not revolte, the US will limit their ability to produce weapons, but like Iran they are far enough along that it is seemingly unstoppable. North Korea needs to come out of the cold but the regime know for that to happen it will be the end for them, they don't have the luxury of time, their strategy seems to me to be geared towards using the bomb to hold the world to ransom. The question is can the US live with that.

Just remind me again, which country is the only one to use a nuclear weapon against another countries population?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

The same one that imposes food sanctions on the other to prevent that from being possible ??? ;)

I'm pretty certain the US hasn't imposed food sanctions on anybody. I do accept that other sanctions sometimes have what you and I would consider undesirable consequences, maybe these are desirable/foreseeable for the US, but the fact is when you want to bring change you need a stick not a feather. Unsettle the population you unsettle the leaders, I don't think that is a strategy that would work in North Koreas case.

Is it acceptable for the US to pick an choose who should have nuclear weapons? Yes. Ideological stances around self determination and fair play have to be put to one side when we are talking of these weapons. We already have two countries (India/Pakistan) that have nuclear weapons and indicated they were prepared to use them in their spat of words a couple of years ago. Iran wants and will probably get, and whilst we are deeply distrustful of that regime I think the bigger concerns are it will start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. With North Korea they have said they would strike pre-emptively, they are unpredictable, they have a track record of firing weapons (SK navy vessel sunk, cross border shelling), if we let them get too far down the line they will bring us to the brink...their people are starving they will not revolte, the US will limit their ability to produce weapons, but like Iran they are far enough along that it is seemingly unstoppable. North Korea needs to come out of the cold but the regime know for that to happen it will be the end for them, they don't have the luxury of time, their strategy seems to me to be geared towards using the bomb to hold the world to ransom. The question is can the US live with that.

Just remind me again, which country is the only one to use a nuclear weapon against another countries population?

In fairness (if there is any from it) it was during a full scale war and 68yrs ago
Im sure if the Germans, Russians, Japanese etc had developed one they would of used it as well

 

[Anonymous]

Why did a thread about North Korea turn it Into an opportunity for some Brits to shots at America and its citizens? Nobody said anything negative about britain ..some of you are real hateful douchebags towards us ..it's funny we banter about football and everything's cool but when a political topic comes about you show your true hateful colors..it's funny because no Americans on here felt any need to insult Britain and I wish I can say the respect was mutual but some of you don't have that..especially the lowlife that said he hopes North Korea bombs the White House the pentagon and whatever other important American landmarks..what makes you any any different than racists or the terrorists who wish death upon innocent people..it's disgusting I won't stoop to your level to insult Britain because I have respect for your country because in the end we are all human beings with eyes a mouth legs and arms like everyone else..it's just disappointing and unfortunate that some of you are incapable of that same respect ..disgusting

The joke's on them bud. Left wing fascists and xenophobes who spend their lives bitching about right wing fascists and xenophobes. Just don't take them as representative of anyone other than their own little circle.

 

[Josh Blue]

To the people who say the U.S is a free society, possibly the most free in the world. You might be interested in a house I'm selling in Birmingham with sea views.

You are probably very nice people but your view on the country you are living in is warped and deluded. Not to mention you are ignoring the millions of innocent humans the U.S has killed through illegal wars.

 

[Skashion]

Let me just log onto my favourite torrent sites and download a few movies on the topic , oh wait they all seem to be blocked here . Also pretty sure America doesn't have CCTV cams on basically every inch of public space . Lets ask mark Duggan what he thinks of the police killing innocent people. Although I'm basically a degenerate gambler I'd hardly use the mid afternoon ladbrokes crowd as an example of freedom. Anyway damn I wasn't trying to defend america's shitty policies or its racist justice system , just that on a personal day to day level America feels more "free" to me than other places I've been.

That's a pathetic response. You've simply pointed out some of the flaws in this country as if I'm competing with you to praise this country but I'm not. I'm highly critical of the decline in civil liberties in this country as well.

Your argument would be shite even if it was the case that I was competing with you in a Britain vs US tit-for-tat. Apart from CCTV, America's worse in blocking copyright infringement and far worse in police brutality. You lose by your argument - which was petty and wrong to begin with.

 

[rick773]

Let me just log onto my favourite torrent sites and download a few movies on the topic , oh wait they all seem to be blocked here . Also pretty sure America doesn't have CCTV cams on basically every inch of public space . Lets ask mark Duggan what he thinks of the police killing innocent people. Although I'm basically a degenerate gambler I'd hardly use the mid afternoon ladbrokes crowd as an example of freedom. Anyway damn I wasn't trying to defend america's shitty policies or its racist justice system , just that on a personal day to day level America feels more "free" to me than other places I've been.

That's a pathetic response. You've simply pointed out some of the flaws in this country as if I'm competing with you to praise this country but I'm not. I'm highly critical of the decline in civil liberties in this country as well.

Your argument would be shite even if it was the case that I was competing with you in a Britain vs US tit-for-tat. Apart from CCTV, America's worse in blocking copyright infringement and far worse in police brutality. You lose by your argument - which was petty and wrong to begin with.

My original question was which country is more free than America . You haven't answered it, instead just posted some freshman who just read a Chomsky book for the first time type shit. My argument wasn't that America was great, i didn't start a USA chant or challenge anyone to pry my gun out of my cold dead hands , I more or less said America sucks less in the personal freedom department based on my personal experience . How long have you lived in the US for?

 

[Feed-The-Goat]

This guy knows why it's kicked off i think..

 

[Skashion]

My original question was which country is more free than America . You haven't answered it, instead just posted some freshman who just read a Chomsky book for the first time type shit. My argument wasn't that America was great, i didn't start a USA chant or challenge anyone to pry my gun out of my cold dead hands , I more or less said America sucks less in the personal freedom department based on my personal experience . How long have you lived in the US for?

I answered; every other western country.