North Stand Construction Discussion

[Coatigan]

Will there be rooms looking onto the pitch? From the videos so far the hotel looks a long way back from the line of the steels that are forming the stand expansion, and no groundworks to indicate it will be extended towards the pitch. Just curious

The floor highlighted in orange here is actually part of the hotel, and links to the rest of the top floor of the hotel. That's the rooms in the stand that look onto the pitch.



Here it is highlighted again over HC's section, onto the stand (ignore the blue).



The rooms out face like so.

 

[blueparrot]

The amount of tourists doing the stadium tour today is unreal. Group, after group, after group. Loads of kids from different countries wearing City shirts on the stadium tour

I was thinking that the other day when somebody mentioned the club wanting more tourists at games because of what they spend in the shop. The shop may seem rammed on a match day but sales for the 25 or so home games a year are probably a fragment of what they take either mail order or through the year with the number of tours going through the shop.

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

The floor highlighted in orange here is actually part of the hotel, and links to the rest of the top floor of the hotel. That's the rooms in the stand that look onto the pitch.

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Here it is highlighted again over HC's section, onto the stand

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The rooms out face like so.

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Thanks, missed that

 

[Coatigan]

I was thinking that the other day when somebody mentioned the club wanting more tourists at games because of what they spend in the shop. The shop may seem rammed on a match day but sales for the 25 or so home games a year are probably a fragment of what they take either mail order or through the year with the number of tours going through the shop.

Probably large numbers even without doing the formal tours, of people just stopping to see the stadium and statues, and then into the shop as a part of that.

 

[blueparrot]

Probably large numbers even without doing the formal tours, of people just stopping to see the stadium and statues, and then into the shop as a part of that.

The couple of times I’ve done the tour always though the club were missing a trick having no food / drink facility open as there seemed to be a few tours going through and general shoppers.
Maybe when the works are all done there will be places open around the campus that will attract even more people to visit the campus spend some time eat and drink and call in the new shop and museum. Maybe the museum will have a cafe.

 

[Coatigan]

The couple of times I’ve done the tour always though the club were missing a trick having no food / drink facility open as there seemed to be a few tours going through and general shoppers.
Maybe when the works are all done there will be places open around the campus that will attract even more people to visit the campus spend some time eat and drink and call in the new shop and museum. Maybe the museum will have a cafe.

There will be 4 or 5 new F&B outlets facing out onto what will be the newly created partially covered City Square, underneath the hotel, in that wing.

I imagine at least some of them will be open all week. Particularly with shows at the COOP etc, great place for people to go early and get some grub and drink close to their venue, likely cheaper than inside it. There seems to be a bit of thought put into non matchdays and giving it all a bit of life.

 

[Coatigan]

The couple of times I’ve done the tour always though the club were missing a trick having no food / drink facility open as there seemed to be a few tours going through and general shoppers.
Maybe when the works are all done there will be places open around the campus that will attract even more people to visit the campus spend some time eat and drink and call in the new shop and museum. Maybe the museum will have a cafe.

Look, there is one even for the forum!

You get called a rag at the door.

 

[blueparrot]

Look, there is one even for the forum!

You get called a rag at the door.

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Was just thinking the hotel will most likely have a bar and restaurants / cafe that may well be open to the public non match day too. Plus during the week and non match weekends the hotels guests will want things open around the campus.

 

[Coatigan]

Was just thinking the hotel will most likely have a bar and restaurants / cafe that may well be open to the public non match day too. Plus during the week and non match weekends the hotels guests will want things open around the campus.

These units are independent of the hotel. The hotel starts at the first floor, with only a small entrance up to it at ground level. It has its own bars and restaurants at L1, which will likely be open to the general public too, as you say.

But these 4 or 5 f&b units seem their own thing, and don't share back of house with the hotel. It has been done a few times for bigger hotels in busy locations, with the two feeding off each other.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Apologies for swearing. I was going to remove the post. I’d had a few too many last night after a long day.

Lots of City fan, not only those of us who stand in SSL1, wanted a single tier initially. But once the North expansion plans were made public, and it was an expanded 2nd tier, a single tier was eventually forgotten about.

As for the channel, that’s their views and opinions, they are entitled to those. Haven’t watched the video.

43.15

Big Steve is right with his comments, the only way going to make the North Stand work is to fill with all City hardcore supporters who want to sing make noise etc, he is also right about the tourists etc put them in their own area

This is an easy job if you copy what the 3252 have done for LAFC

The 1894 could do amazing things, but they need to change as well and make their group more open so more and more people want to join. Better socials and website would help

Look at 3252

The 3252

the3252.net

1894 can make a massive difference and be a catalyst for change but it is not helped by the club, chasing money instead of chasing an atmosphere, PEP wants an atmosphere.

City Matters & 1894 have been releasing statements where they are not happy with the club! And way certain certain things are happening around ticket prices, atmosphere and engagement with these groups.

 

[blueparrot]

43.15

Big Steve is right with his comments, the only way going to make the North Stand work is to fill with all City hardcore supporters who want to sing make noise etc, he is also right about the tourists etc put them in their own area

This is an easy job if you copy what the 3252 have done for LAFC

The 1894 could do amazing things, but they need to change as well and make their group more open so more and more people want to join. Better socials and website would help

Look at 3252

The 3252

the3252.net

1894 can make a massive difference and be a catalyst for change but it is not helped by the club, chasing money instead of chasing an atmosphere, PEP wants an atmosphere.

City Matters & 1894 have been releasing statements where they are not happy with the club! And way certain certain things are happening around ticket prices, atmosphere and engagement with these groups.

He isn’t right about the tourists, the stand and hotel being at the same end is irrelevant.

 

[jrb]

The view from South stand, Level 1.

Colin Bell stand, Level 1.

 

[Coatigan]

43.15

Big Steve is right with his comments, the only way going to make the North Stand work is to fill with all City hardcore supporters who want to sing make noise etc, he is also right about the tourists etc put them in their own area

This is an easy job if you copy what the 3252 have done for LAFC

The 1894 could do amazing things, but they need to change as well and make their group more open so more and more people want to join. Better socials and website would help

Look at 3252

The 3252

the3252.net

1894 can make a massive difference and be a catalyst for change but it is not helped by the club, chasing money instead of chasing an atmosphere, PEP wants an atmosphere.

City Matters & 1894 have been releasing statements where they are not happy with the club! And way certain certain things are happening around ticket prices, atmosphere and engagement with these groups.

Oh the irony, of continuously using the Real Madrid game as an example where the club shafted loyal fans for the tourists. Which happened to be hands down THE best atmosphere the stadium had seen in years. The players said it, Pep said it, Ancelotti said it, Real Madrid said it, their media said it, even the chairman commented on it. It has beyond doubt put to bed the claim that atmosphere suffers if it is not exclusively legacy fans in the stadium.

I don't disagree with the guys in the vid and the 1894's stance on what they want the stand to be. But I do disagree with their assertion that it is The ONLY way to get an atmosphere in the stand. Sorry, I do. It is far too simplistic for me. I think there are many other ways in which it works. And peope don't seem tonwant to hear them, and maybe that is one of the reasons the club aren't coming out with them just yet.

I am open minded to being wrong. You, and their statements don't seem open minded to there being more than the three stipulations you have set out though. And till that changes, discussions can never be meaningful. Not here or amongst fans, never mind with the club.

 

[jrb]

Glass for the mockup cladding?

I didn't notice the what was shrink wrapped at the bottom of the first picture because I was so focused on the glass. (arrrgh!) It could also be part of the mockup cladding?

 

[KS55]

Are you not thinking of Etihad Airlines?

Nope.
When NY Stadium Redevelopment was announced CFG said two things.
1. They were borrowing from a consortium of banks about £800m to finance it.
2. They were planning an IPO of about the same amount, but they did not say what was for sale or what the money raised would be used for.
At the same time, CFG set up a new Midco and it appears the clubs will be inside it. The Midco has filed accounts but they don’t give much of a clue.
The issue was debated on BM with a major contribution from Stefan.
The problem is CFG website is very thin in terms of information and very tardy too, so it is impossible to know exactly what the current situation is.

 

[Coatigan]

Nope.
When NY Stadium Redevelopment was announced CFG said two things.
1. They were borrowing from a consortium of banks about £800m to finance it.
2. They were planning an IPO of about the same amount, but they did not say what was for sale or what the money raised would be used for.
At the same time, CFG set up a new Midco and it appears the clubs will be inside it. The Midco has filed accounts but they don’t give much of a clue.
The issue was debated on BM with a major contribution from Stefan.
The problem is CFG website is very thin in terms of information and very tardy too, so it is impossible to know exactly what the current situation is.

What is the point you are trying to make? Sorry, not managed to follow.

 

[KS55]

Oh the irony, of continuously using the Real Madrid game as an example where the club shafted loyal fans for the tourists. Which happened to be hands down THE best atmosphere the stadium had seen in years. The players said it, Pep said it, Ancelotti said it, Real Madrid said it, their media said it, even the chairman commented on it. It has beyond doubt put to bed the claim that atmosphere suffers if it is not exclusively legacy fans in the stadium.

I don't disagree with the guys in the vid and the 1894's stance on what they want the stand to be. But I do disagree with their assertion that it is The ONLY way to get an atmosphere in the stand. Sorry, I do. It is far too simplistic for me. I think there are many other ways in which it works. And peope don't seem tonwant to hear them, and maybe that is one of the reasons the club aren't coming out with them just yet.

I am open minded to being wrong. You, and their statements don't seem open minded to there being more than the three stipulations you have set out though. And till that changes, discussions can never be meaningful. Not here or amongst fans, never mind with the club.

Real we’re quoted as saying it was the fiercest ‘trap’ they had ever encountered.

 

[KS55]

What is the point you are trying to make? Sorry, not managed to follow.

I was asked if the IPO was re Etihad Airways: it wasn’t, according to CFG. It was about CFG themselves.
For all those querying this story, search BM, it’s there.

 

[jrb]

Left side.

 

[Coatigan]

I was asked if the IPO was re Etihad Airways: it wasn’t, according to CFG. It was about CFG themselves.
For all those querying this story, search BM, it’s there.

I meant more the underlying point relative to the stadium. But reading back I think it is that the development including the hotel is an MCFC asset rather than a CFG one?