North Stand Construction Discussion

[Gone for a Burton]

Leasing would be the way....let the operator take the depreciation and down time hit.

50 (say) bus's/coaches from Central locations around Manchester (Hyde,Denton,Reddish Bridge, Etihad) along priority bus lanes would be worth trying.

In the 50s & 60s coach operators ran coaches from newsagents all over Manchester to Maine Road

City don’t own the team bus(s).

They are hired or leased for when they’re needed.

Do the same wiv fans coaches/busses.


May be Etihad Rail will become involved with the Metro one day.
ER are big operators in MENA.

 

[Gordyola]

City haven't put the 1000 seats back in, which is a shame. There could be a 1000 more City fans watching the home games for the next 2 seasons until the North stand expansion is completed.

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The seats removed for the enlarged LED boards were the ones added when the South Stand was expanded, they were awful views as no terracing added, it also made the old front rows worse and subject to the weather being on the edge of the canopy The LED boards will bring in a lot of revenue for the club with the technology of seeing regional adverts depending upon where the TC picture is being viewed Appreciate your wish to have as many fans there as possible but isnt this why the club is expanding, just have to wait a bit

 

[Holcombe bloo]

I work as a bus driver mate. New buses cost 250 grand and the new hydrogen buses are going for half a million each. How many do you think City should buy? Pretty expensive to have them sitting around for 13 days out of 14 for home premier league games but I suppose with cups and Europe they may get used once a week for 10 months of the year.

Maybe you could drive them the rest of the week pal? There’s quite a need for buses in and out of Manchester both rush hours.

think of it as a joint venture between city and the council. And not the first one.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

Maybe you could drive them the rest of the week pal? There’s quite a need for buses in and out of Manchester both rush hours.

think of it as a joint venture between city and the council. And not the first one.

Sounds good. It'd be better than driving red buses ;-)

 

[jrb]

Maybe you could drive them the rest of the week pal? There’s quite a need for buses in and out of Manchester both rush hours.

think of it as a joint venture between city and the council. And not the first one.

These are the new Bee Network buses that are being rolled out across Gtr Manchester over the coming years. I think Bolton and Wigan(?) are getting them first?

Andy Burnham - Twitter

Two months today, buses in GM start to go back under public control and the cost of combined bus and tram travel will be cut by 20%.24 September should signal the beginning of a public transport revolution across not just GM but the whole of England.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I work as a bus driver mate. New buses cost 250 grand and the new hydrogen buses are going for half a million each. How many do you think City should buy? Pretty expensive to have them sitting around for 13 days out of 14 for home premier league games but I suppose with cups and Europe they may get used once a week for 10 months of the year.

Thanks mate, just a suggestion maybe leasing them as the schools do would be the answer, a lot of new schools have a bus car park built-in. The train is a no-goer at the moment, if you look at Wembley it is served by a tube line and station, Etihad Campus all has a tram line at the moment

 

[LEXSTARproject]

These are the new Bee Network buses that are being rolled out across Gtr Manchester over the coming years. I think Bolton and Wigan(?) are getting them first?

Andy Burnham - Twitter

Two months today, buses in GM start to go back under public control and the cost of combined bus and tram travel will be cut by 20%.24 September should signal the beginning of a public transport revolution across not just GM but the whole of England.

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Made in Falkirk lol

 

[Holcombe bloo]

These are the new Bee Network buses that are being rolled out across Gtr Manchester over the coming years. I think Bolton and Wigan(?) are getting them first?

Andy Burnham - Twitter

Two months today, buses in GM start to go back under public control and the cost of combined bus and tram travel will be cut by 20%.24 September should signal the beginning of a public transport revolution across not just GM but the whole of England.

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Are they electric? I wonder how many Mcr will be getting. This could be the best collaboration so far if city, oak view and council could team up to invest in a large fleet. I really would like to use something like this from bury to games.

 

[jrb]

Are they electric? I wonder how many Mcr will be getting. This could be the best collaboration so far if city, oak view and council could team up to invest in a large fleet. I really would like to use something like this from bury to games.

Greater Manchester moves closer to its sustainable and integrated transportation system, as the new Bee Network buses are set to join the fleet of 50 electric double-decker vehicles introduced in Wigan, Bolton, Salford and Bury.

In September 2023, these buses will be among the 50 new electric double-decker vehicles that have been introduced in Wigan, Bolton and parts of Salford and Bury when local control of buses is reinstated after almost four decades. The buses will be fully inclusive, featuring amenities, such as two wheelchair bays, hearing induction loops, audio and visual announcement systems and anti-slip flooring.

An additional 50 buses will be delivered in March 2024, supporting the continued expansion of bus franchising in areas including Bury, Rochdale, Oldham, Manchester, Salford and Tameside. By January 2025, services across the rest of Greater Manchester will also come under local control.

The funding for the 100 new buses comes from the UK government’s City Region Sustainable Transport Settlement, with an additional 250 buses planned for delivery from 2024 to 2027. Furthermore, 170 electric buses, jointly funded by Stagecoach and local and national government, will operate in Stockport from 2024, significantly reducing carbon emissions by 1.1 million tonnes. These efforts contribute to the city region’s goal of achieving a sustainable public transport system with a zero-emission bus fleet by 2032.

A state-of-the-art electric bus depot capable of accommodating 250 buses will be constructed at Central Park in Manchester to support the introduction of the new environmentally friendly fleet. TfGM will also acquire existing bus depots, refurbish them, and transform them into modern, technologically advanced facilities.

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Best get back to the North stand topic. :-)

 

[Coatigan]

So who is on plane committee watching duties today?

 

[supercity88]

So who is on plane committee watching duties today?

If I'm still in the office when it gets to the application I'll be watching, but a fair amount to chew through first so I'd imagine I'll be gone before they get to the application. Should sail through.

 

[Coatigan]

If I'm still in the office when it gets to the application I'll be watching, but a fair amount to chew through first so I'd imagine I'll be gone before they get to the application. Should sail through.

I think we all agree it should sail through. Still, I imagine it is interesting for some to watch. Might even beat the transfer show, who knows.

8 projects to discuss plus all the procedural stuff. Even if they can keep them to 20 minutes each, which won't be the case for all, it will probably go on a while. Might go into the evening. I imagine this one taking up the bulk of the meeting though.

They don't always stick to the order as published, sometimes they tackle the biggest first. Or try get a couple small ones out of the way and then hit it.

15 councillors voting, so should not really end in a draw, but betting on unanimous wouldn't be absurd.

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

Thanks mate, just a suggestion maybe leasing them as the schools do would be the answer, a lot of new schools have a bus car park built-in. The train is a no-goer at the moment, if you look at Wembley it is served by a tube line and station, Etihad Campus all has a tram line at the moment

Yeah that might work mate. We come off route at the moment to do the school run if we are short of buses/drivers or due to break downs. We also recently added a new college campus to a route. I suppose the club needs to look into it as a viable way to cut down on traffic. I mean why would you have 4 persons in 4 cars taking up the road space of 1 bus that can carry about 80 people. Also bus fares are subsidised at the moment so I think more fans need to leave the car at home or park it close to a bus route.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Yeah that might work mate. We come off route at the moment to do the school run if we are short of buses/drivers or due to break downs. We also recently added a new college campus to a route. I suppose the club needs to look into it as a viable way to cut down on traffic. I mean why would you have 4 persons in 4 cars taking up the road space of 1 bus that can carry about 80 people. Also bus fares are subsidised at the moment so I think more fans need to leave the car at home or park it close to a bus route.

It’s the cost, still. Even with subsidised bus travel and even if you can get one bus direct to the campus, it’s 4 x£4 vs parking/petrol. Those needing multiple buses makes it £5 each minimum. Those needing bus/tram and it becomes £7.80, or over £30 for 4, >£600 over a season. Not to mention how many times buses get fucked up along the way or just go from every 15mins to hourly at night - even within the GM region.

If people are to be converted into bus users then they need an incentive. For me it’s the ability to have a few drinks, make a day of it. Having to drive to pick up a bus has no appeal to me and probably many others. We need decent bus services running down Alan Turing Way from the North and South to go with the East and West existing routes in my view. A direct bus from Bury to Stockport or something like that missing out the traffic disaster that is the city centre.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Yeah that might work mate. We come off route at the moment to do the school run if we are short of buses/drivers or due to break downs. We also recently added a new college campus to a route. I suppose the club needs to look into it as a viable way to cut down on traffic. I mean why would you have 4 persons in 4 cars taking up the road space of 1 bus that can carry about 80 people. Also bus fares are subsidised at the moment so I think more fans need to leave the car at home or park it close to a bus route.

I’m sure that City will have been or are in discussion with TfM & the rail companies re the viability of improved and additional rail links.

Much of the basic infrastructure remains from yesteryear and it shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man to find or create a solution, after all man has walked on the moon !!

Etihad Rail are expanding their network across MENA & SW Asia and could potentially be involved in a JV with other stakeholders to benefit the whole of East Manchester specifically and Manchester generally.

Additionally,the metro must be replanned & reorganised on match and concert days so as to meet forecast and established demand.

Currently it’s a moving advertisement for ineptitude and incompetence. Passenger useage will increase if it simply fulfills its primary purpose....efficient,cost effective mass transit of Mancunian tax payers.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I’m sure that City will have been or are in discussion with TfM & the rail companies re the viability of improved and additional rail links.

Much of the basic infrastructure remains from yesteryear and it shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man to find or create a solution, after all man has walked on the moon !!

Etihad Rail are expanding their network across MENA & SW Asia and could potentially be involved in a JV with other stakeholders to benefit the whole of East Manchester specifically and Manchester generally.

Additionally,the metro must be replanned & reorganised on match and concert days so as to meet forecast and established demand.

Currently it’s a moving advertisement for ineptitude and incompetence. Passenger useage will increase if it simply fulfills its primary purpose....efficient,cost effective mass transit of Mancunian tax payers.

Totally agree a railway station is a must, someone needs to have a word with Andy Burham, look at what Aston Villa are doing with their new North Stand it has a link up to the station

Etihad Rail - The UAE's National Rail Project

www.etihadrail.ae

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

It’s the cost, still. Even with subsidised bus travel and even if you can get one bus direct to the campus, it’s 4 x£4 vs parking/petrol. Those needing multiple buses makes it £5 each minimum. Those needing bus/tram and it becomes £7.80, or over £30 for 4, >£600 over a season. Not to mention how many times buses get fucked up along the way or just go from every 15mins to hourly at night - even within the GM region.

If people are to be converted into bus users then they need an incentive. For me it’s the ability to have a few drinks, make a day of it. Having to drive to pick up a bus has no appeal to me and probably many others. We need decent bus services running down Alan Turing Way from the North and South to go with the East and West existing routes in my view. A direct bus from Bury to Stockport or something like that missing out the traffic disaster that is the city centre.

Bus fares are max £2 at the moment...subsidised till October then £2.50 max for a further year. For multiple journeys you can buy a day saver for £5 which if you are making more than 2 journeys saves £3 on your 4 journeys as you wouldn't make 3 journeys...even if you did you would still save a pound.

If you don't think getting a bus has appeal then fine...sit in your car along with thousands of others eating petrol tapping your steering wheel and watching the bus fly down the bus lane.

I do agree though there needs to be better routes to the stadium or tram stations...unfortunately a little walking might need to be done as well...but that's good exercise right?

Where there is a will there is a way....it'll probably get sorted....eventually.

 

[CarlosTevez'sEnglishTutor]

These decisions normally come in after business hours, we will know by tomorrow morning. I say just chill until then and let the committee do their thing.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Bus fares are max £2 at the moment...subsidised till October then £2.50 max for a further year. For multiple journeys you can buy a day saver for £5 which if you are making more than 2 journeys saves £3 on your 4 journeys as you wouldn't make 3 journeys...even if you did you would still save a pound.

If you don't think getting a bus has appeal then fine...sit in your car along with thousands of others eating petrol tapping your steering wheel and watching the bus fly down the bus lane.

I do agree though there needs to be better routes to the stadium or tram stations...unfortunately a little walking might need to be done as well...but that's good exercise right?

Where there is a will there is a way....it'll probably get sorted....eventually.

Yes £2 for one way but I want to go back home after the game!

Aaannnddd … what bus lanes? Try going from Bury to Manchester and apart from the one near Heaton Park there aren’t any other decent ones. Its either 45 mins in a car or 90 mins over 2 or 3 buses for me.

 

[blueparrot]

Totally agree a railway station is a must, someone needs to have a word with Andy Burham, look at what Aston Villa are doing with their new North Stand it has a link up to the station

Etihad Rail - The UAE's National Rail Project

www.etihadrail.ae

Think others that are much better informed than most of us have explained before why there isn't going to be a railway station.